Nimrods for Indian Ocean Piracy Patrol ?
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Interesting The Merlin better than the Nimrod......
Was it not as of late that a large Navy fleet failed to find a sub not so long ago in the yet the Nimrod was called in and found it in 4 hours.
Anyway I think there is no comparrison , thats why the RAF is trusted with defending the mainland UK rather than the Navy
Was it not as of late that a large Navy fleet failed to find a sub not so long ago in the yet the Nimrod was called in and found it in 4 hours.
Anyway I think there is no comparrison , thats why the RAF is trusted with defending the mainland UK rather than the Navy
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"the RAF is trusted with defending the mainland UK rather than the Navy"
Just confirm that you are trusted with defending the mainland.
From a submarine.
Yup, I think that you should just about be able to manage that.
Meanwhile we will look after the shipping side of things.
Just confirm that you are trusted with defending the mainland.
From a submarine.
Yup, I think that you should just about be able to manage that.
Meanwhile we will look after the shipping side of things.
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Just confirm that you are trusted with defending the mainland.
From a submarine.
From a submarine.
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Yea, because the Nuc boats have to get within Nimrod range to launch at the UK, in just the same way that we make all of ours hang round Murmansk.
Oh, wait a minute no they don't do they.
Oh, wait a minute no they don't do they.
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and just how many sono buoys does a Merlin carry? Oh no wait a minute last time 1 was 'hot' on a real target he was poaching the buoys from another platform that WAS in contact....
Flown on a Merlin by the way and I think they are very good, but do be serious old chap
and just how many sono buoys does a Merlin carry? Oh no wait a minute last time 1 was 'hot' on a real target he was poaching the buoys from another platform that WAS in contact....
Flown on a Merlin by the way and I think they are very good, but do be serious old chap
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To be fair after recently returning from a certain location where Nimrods and Merlins operate from the the same ramp although doing very different jobs, i can report that the Nimrods did not lose a single sortie over several weeks of my being there whilst the Merlins seemed to be doing a sterling job of being broken most of the time....
And as for complaining of only having one Nimrod availiable for uk training and one deployed you obviously arent at ISK at the moment ....
And as for complaining of only having one Nimrod availiable for uk training and one deployed you obviously arent at ISK at the moment ....
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How many sonobouys does my ship 15 mins away carry?
Who really cares?
Who is talking about sonobouys?
Oh, thats right, Nimrod can't dip, can it.
Do be serious yourself andgo. Having spent far too much time on cockfights on the mighty king, I know from the washups what the unwashed untermensch think of the relative threat to them between fixed wing ASW and rotary ASW, and the opinion that Nimrod is somehow the daddy is frankly deluded.
I am perectly willing to accept that the Nimrods advantages are useful, but there are also many disadvantages, especially when you have so few.
Who really cares?
Who is talking about sonobouys?
Oh, thats right, Nimrod can't dip, can it.
Do be serious yourself andgo. Having spent far too much time on cockfights on the mighty king, I know from the washups what the unwashed untermensch think of the relative threat to them between fixed wing ASW and rotary ASW, and the opinion that Nimrod is somehow the daddy is frankly deluded.
I am perectly willing to accept that the Nimrods advantages are useful, but there are also many disadvantages, especially when you have so few.
Wouldn't it be nice if we had a sizeable UK task force that had both Nimrods (deep field) and Merlins (closer in) giving it ASW protection, you know, working together.....
Silly idea, I'll let you Nimrod and Melin boys get back to your p***ing contest...
Silly idea, I'll let you Nimrod and Melin boys get back to your p***ing contest...
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I thought this thread was about anti-piracy ops? Last time I checked the pirates didn't operate SSBNs, so all you actually need is a platform with a Radar that can pick up the big ships and the fast boats the Pirates use. Bit of cross-cueing action with a lynx/Merlin/sea eagle and bob's your father's brother.
The Radar on the RAF's latest big grey business jets here at Waddo picks up both with ease - could be a plan for some sunshine dets?
Also, Waddo's Historic Airliner's Memorial Flight aren't exactly maxed out with tasking at the moment. That big thing that follows them around on the rare occasions you see them flying probably picks up maritime targets as well.
Best of all though would probably be SeaKing ASaCs - their kit is awesome (just as shame it has no legs) and would keep the Navy happy.
The Radar on the RAF's latest big grey business jets here at Waddo picks up both with ease - could be a plan for some sunshine dets?
Also, Waddo's Historic Airliner's Memorial Flight aren't exactly maxed out with tasking at the moment. That big thing that follows them around on the rare occasions you see them flying probably picks up maritime targets as well.
Best of all though would probably be SeaKing ASaCs - their kit is awesome (just as shame it has no legs) and would keep the Navy happy.
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Some hope !
You're going to be lucky to use a Sea Eagle - a good weapon ( I was on the trials ) but ditched for 'expense' all too quickly, quite a while ago now.
I'd like to know exactly what the 'expense' was, with a tried & tested ( on trials ) weapon...
It seems rather obvious, even to a punter like me ( at least I think that's what they called me ) that Merlin & Nimrod should hopefully work in unison.
I'm an aircraft type, specifically Harrier of both RAF GR5-7 & Sea Harrier 1 & 2 flavours, but it is so bloody obvious that the Navy needs more ships, not just 6 Type 45's - how many will be operational at one time, even given the fact that without all-out war one suspects only one CVF will be at sea ?
I cringe when I read of the Falklands 'missile trap' using two ships, one with the long range Sea Dart, the other with the more modern - but not perfect - Sea Wolf - also of whole land operations going awry because the ONE GUN on a warship went u/s...
Here's an idea, brilliantly innovative as I am and having heard the lessons of WWII from my father, + thanks to his & his like I have only read about it, not had to deal with war except work a bit extra from a large distance ( hat off to all in 1982 )...
How about actually equipping a warship with more than one bloody gun, and both long & short range missiles !
It would save using two 'platforms' and might actually be useful.
I know this is an aviation thread, and I'm talking naval aviation here; either we equip with Harrier 2+ & AMRAAM, while waiting god knows how long for the F-35B, or we don't go anywhere potentially nasty.
Harrier 2+ ( now we don't have Sea Harriers ) would be jolly good at sorting out pirates too, as seems trendy at the moment, and could link with Nimrods in the unlikely event there's one around; I actually get the impression they're quite busy, between 'Stan, rebuild & the scrappers !
I'd like to know exactly what the 'expense' was, with a tried & tested ( on trials ) weapon...
It seems rather obvious, even to a punter like me ( at least I think that's what they called me ) that Merlin & Nimrod should hopefully work in unison.
I'm an aircraft type, specifically Harrier of both RAF GR5-7 & Sea Harrier 1 & 2 flavours, but it is so bloody obvious that the Navy needs more ships, not just 6 Type 45's - how many will be operational at one time, even given the fact that without all-out war one suspects only one CVF will be at sea ?
I cringe when I read of the Falklands 'missile trap' using two ships, one with the long range Sea Dart, the other with the more modern - but not perfect - Sea Wolf - also of whole land operations going awry because the ONE GUN on a warship went u/s...
Here's an idea, brilliantly innovative as I am and having heard the lessons of WWII from my father, + thanks to his & his like I have only read about it, not had to deal with war except work a bit extra from a large distance ( hat off to all in 1982 )...
How about actually equipping a warship with more than one bloody gun, and both long & short range missiles !
It would save using two 'platforms' and might actually be useful.
I know this is an aviation thread, and I'm talking naval aviation here; either we equip with Harrier 2+ & AMRAAM, while waiting god knows how long for the F-35B, or we don't go anywhere potentially nasty.
Harrier 2+ ( now we don't have Sea Harriers ) would be jolly good at sorting out pirates too, as seems trendy at the moment, and could link with Nimrods in the unlikely event there's one around; I actually get the impression they're quite busy, between 'Stan, rebuild & the scrappers !
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Tourist.
Seems like you may have spent too much time with 'cockfights'.
Maybe the Nimrod and the Merlin should play nicely togather, when you are cleared to Dip, you can take all the contact you want and Nimrod will gladly fill any gaps in playtime. Maybe we should play nicely togather, just like we do somewhere where there are real ops.
Seems like you may have spent too much time with 'cockfights'.
Maybe the Nimrod and the Merlin should play nicely togather, when you are cleared to Dip, you can take all the contact you want and Nimrod will gladly fill any gaps in playtime. Maybe we should play nicely togather, just like we do somewhere where there are real ops.
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yes - for covering any sort of an area use an MPA, if you have any sort of a datum get a dipper in. Buoys on ship - well, for simple speed to datum and buoy carrying capacity an MPA wins on that count of course, for reloads it depends where the second MPA is - generally, when there has been any doubt about the ability of the first a/c to do the job, further a/c are set to follow on....intervals being pretty manageable, as each one carries over 100 buoys! for monitoring the buoys I'd suggest mpa again - it would presumably take a number of Merlins, and a bit of luck, to monitor buoys x in a field? Try a Nimrod 10,000+ ft up....of course laying them is fairly snappy too, at the speed a Nimrod flies....
MPA are good for (1) Sono: covering a large area, with a decent chance of detecting a target and quickly refining the datum. They do need replacing, which takes a fairly major asset up when all is said and done - but they are AWFULLY good when they get there (Helos ARE cheaper, though)
(2) Radar coverage - I doubt anyone in the western world can cover as much of the surface, classifying contacts (correctly) as they go, as a Nimrod. Anyone on the Brazil 83 det will remember Frank James rather impressing the Brazilian navy regarding a Guppy at a rather long range.... I won't blunder into capabilities here, but Searchwater is exceptional in it's ability, with a decent operator, to classify targets at long range. I cannot imagine Helos doing anything like as well.
Nimrod has in fact done ahumungous number of anti surface ops, involving covert ident and tracking of targets, over the past 30 years to my knowledge. It would be ideal for anti piracy. The only problem is that the Nimrod fleet is going to be about the size of the Battle of Britain Memorial Flight any day now, as Nimrod 2014 MRA 4 XLGSi 16v finally hits the pan, to be manned by an RAuxAF sqn composed of the long dead Max Aitken and Zombies resurrected from the Banff strike wing. (Or whatever Broon has provided the cash to cover this week).
It's a real pity.
Even more of a pity would be to see some ridiculous squabble between ASUW/ASW assets over who is better, when infighting weakens the fighting services, to the benefit of the politicians who don't really give a toss, and (gotta say it)
MPAs are better, anyway.
Dave
(Horses for courses - Helos and MPAs have + and -, intelligent leaders play to strengths regardless of petty parochial arguments.)
yes - for covering any sort of an area use an MPA, if you have any sort of a datum get a dipper in. Buoys on ship - well, for simple speed to datum and buoy carrying capacity an MPA wins on that count of course, for reloads it depends where the second MPA is - generally, when there has been any doubt about the ability of the first a/c to do the job, further a/c are set to follow on....intervals being pretty manageable, as each one carries over 100 buoys! for monitoring the buoys I'd suggest mpa again - it would presumably take a number of Merlins, and a bit of luck, to monitor buoys x in a field? Try a Nimrod 10,000+ ft up....of course laying them is fairly snappy too, at the speed a Nimrod flies....
MPA are good for (1) Sono: covering a large area, with a decent chance of detecting a target and quickly refining the datum. They do need replacing, which takes a fairly major asset up when all is said and done - but they are AWFULLY good when they get there (Helos ARE cheaper, though)
(2) Radar coverage - I doubt anyone in the western world can cover as much of the surface, classifying contacts (correctly) as they go, as a Nimrod. Anyone on the Brazil 83 det will remember Frank James rather impressing the Brazilian navy regarding a Guppy at a rather long range.... I won't blunder into capabilities here, but Searchwater is exceptional in it's ability, with a decent operator, to classify targets at long range. I cannot imagine Helos doing anything like as well.
Nimrod has in fact done ahumungous number of anti surface ops, involving covert ident and tracking of targets, over the past 30 years to my knowledge. It would be ideal for anti piracy. The only problem is that the Nimrod fleet is going to be about the size of the Battle of Britain Memorial Flight any day now, as Nimrod 2014 MRA 4 XLGSi 16v finally hits the pan, to be manned by an RAuxAF sqn composed of the long dead Max Aitken and Zombies resurrected from the Banff strike wing. (Or whatever Broon has provided the cash to cover this week).
It's a real pity.
Even more of a pity would be to see some ridiculous squabble between ASUW/ASW assets over who is better, when infighting weakens the fighting services, to the benefit of the politicians who don't really give a toss, and (gotta say it)
MPAs are better, anyway.
Dave
(Horses for courses - Helos and MPAs have + and -, intelligent leaders play to strengths regardless of petty parochial arguments.)
An ASW bitch off, it's like watching stamp collectors and train spotters fight over who's the daddy.
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Chuck in a relatively low-tech role and you need lots of eyes in the sky, eyes we haven't got.
Same with the Magic Mushroom. Great for a surpic but no diferent really from intel or satellite. The threat is on the SLOC; there are ships on the SLOC; there are pirates on the SLOC. You do need to ident and then track.
One sortie per day will not cut it.
Doing fisheries patrols was a case in point. Everyone was a 'good boy' until the Nimrod did its patrol and as soon as our back was turned they would all sneak in across the line. One day, in a small area - the SWAPPS between French and Irish waters - we did a revisit and caught them all fishing illegally. Of course they ran. What they didn't know was that HMS Speedy was over the horizon and caught them in hot pursuit - 65 kts.
You need more eyes in the sky for 24 hrs at a time and a fast response unit - Merlin shall we say - otherwise the coverage will be too poor, the revisit times too long, and you will be lucky to catch them at it.