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...hundreds of modern Typhoon..
...and about 12 chinook.
My they must have trimmed back the Chinook force since I left Odiham.
Must be cost cutting to fund the purchase of Pachyderm, White, Cocktail Parties, For the Use Of (x2) for the RN.
.Because we are services with many aspects, we understand the need for funding various elements of the war machine.
Ultimately the RN is all about driving boats and the Army is all about boots on the ground. With the best will in the world the focus of a sea-centric force and that of a land-centric force will never be fully on the projection and continual evolution of air power. This is why all the seasoned, professional militaries of the world have independent air arms
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"History does say otherwise, hence an independent air arm."
History says that the Navy needs organic air power because the RAF cannot be relied upon to front up when required, hence the re-establishment of a Fleet Air Arm.
"This is why all the seasoned, professional militaries of the world have independent air arms "
The seasoned, professional militaries have properly funded Naval Air which don't have to fight continually to maintain their capabilities against attacks from a rapacious airforce which is more interested in political manoevering for single service interest than supporting the war aim.
"History does say otherwise, hence an independent air arm."
History says that the Navy needs organic air power because the RAF cannot be relied upon to front up when required, hence the re-establishment of a Fleet Air Arm.
"This is why all the seasoned, professional militaries of the world have independent air arms "
The seasoned, professional militaries have properly funded Naval Air which don't have to fight continually to maintain their capabilities against attacks from a rapacious airforce which is more interested in political manoevering for single service interest than supporting the war aim.
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Ah, so its the RAF who control the RN budget then? I guess you could ask them not to make you spend it all on those expensive n-boats but no doubt they'll just ignore your feeble pleas and cackle some more.
Its amazing how much power the RAF wields over the Senior Service and the British Army, especially as the senior ranks of the RAF are oft derided as being incompetent by all manner of armchair Admirals and Generals, quite amazing.
BTW, is that tinfoil hat comfortable?
Its amazing how much power the RAF wields over the Senior Service and the British Army, especially as the senior ranks of the RAF are oft derided as being incompetent by all manner of armchair Admirals and Generals, quite amazing.
BTW, is that tinfoil hat comfortable?
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Do you deny that the RAF does indeed have power over the RN flown Harriers, our only fixed wing combat aircraft?
Do you deny that the loss of RN fixed wing at this stage will have a catastrophic and perhaps terminal effect on the RN's aspiration to fly JCA?
Do you deny that the RAF does indeed have power over the RN flown Harriers, our only fixed wing combat aircraft?
Do you deny that the loss of RN fixed wing at this stage will have a catastrophic and perhaps terminal effect on the RN's aspiration to fly JCA?
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Well considering most of the 'RN' squadrons have fairly large amounts of RAF personnel in them due to a shortage of dark blue suits I suppose they do have a bit of power over them.
Of course if the RAF were to bin the Harrier in order to make savings in a defence budget that is stretched awfully thin I'm sure there would be nothing to stop the RN from trying to convince the treasury to not take that saving but give it to the FAA instead to run the Harriers on their own.
If the RN considered fixed-wing aviation so important that it had to have the Harriers, extra money from the treasury or not, I'm sure the boat drivers would happily give up a few frigates to fund the FAA, or would they?
Perhaps the boat drivers aren't actually that interested in who flies off of their future cruise ships, perhap they just want big boats to float around in. Perhaps the true 'enemy' is within....
Of course if the RAF were to bin the Harrier in order to make savings in a defence budget that is stretched awfully thin I'm sure there would be nothing to stop the RN from trying to convince the treasury to not take that saving but give it to the FAA instead to run the Harriers on their own.
If the RN considered fixed-wing aviation so important that it had to have the Harriers, extra money from the treasury or not, I'm sure the boat drivers would happily give up a few frigates to fund the FAA, or would they?
Perhaps the boat drivers aren't actually that interested in who flies off of their future cruise ships, perhap they just want big boats to float around in. Perhaps the true 'enemy' is within....
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Have you been paying attention?
"If the RN considered fixed-wing aviation so important that it had to have the Harriers, extra money from the treasury or not, I'm sure the boat drivers would happily give up a few frigates to fund the FAA, or would they?"
The RN has given up more than half the Fleet to fund the Carriers which are the heart of the FAA, so yes, they are "interested"
"Well considering most of the 'RN' squadrons have fairly large amounts of RAF personnel in them due to a shortage of dark blue suits I suppose they do have a bit of power over them."
There is no shortage or dark blue suits. The RN has turned down crossover requests from crabs to go to the RN sqns because the line numbers are filled. You are believing your own propaganda.
Have you been paying attention?
"If the RN considered fixed-wing aviation so important that it had to have the Harriers, extra money from the treasury or not, I'm sure the boat drivers would happily give up a few frigates to fund the FAA, or would they?"
The RN has given up more than half the Fleet to fund the Carriers which are the heart of the FAA, so yes, they are "interested"
"Well considering most of the 'RN' squadrons have fairly large amounts of RAF personnel in them due to a shortage of dark blue suits I suppose they do have a bit of power over them."
There is no shortage or dark blue suits. The RN has turned down crossover requests from crabs to go to the RN sqns because the line numbers are filled. You are believing your own propaganda.
Just an observation, but in the last three weeks in general conversation at a purple location somewhere in Wiltshire, both a Lt Cdr and a Cdr (both RN rather than any other nation's navies) have supported THS's opinion regarding the shortage of dark blue in JFH.
It would seem that either beastly crab propaganda has infilitrated the RN, or that some elements of the RN are confused about the true picture and need urgent re-education...
Perhaps pointing those on here who can access them in the direction of the figures might settle that argument? (Not a dig, Tourist - a genuine thought, since this point comes up every time this debate occurs).
It would seem that either beastly crab propaganda has infilitrated the RN, or that some elements of the RN are confused about the true picture and need urgent re-education...
Perhaps pointing those on here who can access them in the direction of the figures might settle that argument? (Not a dig, Tourist - a genuine thought, since this point comes up every time this debate occurs).
