Pay Rise on 1st April 09?
That's the top end of level 1, not the bottom end: "up to 340 days qualifying separation" (my emphasis). Therefore, level 1 is now 240-340 days rather than 300-x days (for x=whatever the old top of the band was).
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I'm not sure where the 2.8% 'in line with other public sectors' bit comes from? Most of the Strawbs that work with me picked up 13% over 3 years which is a tadge over 4%.
2.8% is less than the rise of my council tax this year (2.9%) which my local government is giving itself celebratory masturbations over.
Lets face it chaps/chapesses, 2.8% is an absolutely crap rise no matter what employment you are in when the cost of living is the way it is.
I suspect those with Sin service accom etc will see a correspondng rise in food and accom to offset the pay award
2.8% is less than the rise of my council tax this year (2.9%) which my local government is giving itself celebratory masturbations over.
Lets face it chaps/chapesses, 2.8% is an absolutely crap rise no matter what employment you are in when the cost of living is the way it is.
I suspect those with Sin service accom etc will see a correspondng rise in food and accom to offset the pay award
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From the MOD website:
That's useful, I'll just get the train now. Can we have the pdf version please. It's not like they've only had the report five minutes.
[edit]Leon, thanks for the link.
Copies of the Armed Forces' Pay Review Body Report are available in the Vote Office and the Library of the House.
[edit]Leon, thanks for the link.
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I'm with you on this - 2.8% is far better than I expected (about £5.90 a day better off). Having just read the whole thing back to front the good news is that they are hinting that all aircrew below the rank of Wg Cdr will go onto PAS and that WSOs will have the level-bar removed - now if that comes off then that will be a significant result for JOs and Sqn Ldrs.
By the way the link to the document is here: http://www.ome.uk.com/downloads/AFPR...ort%202009.pdf
Now what can I spend £5.90 on...
LJ
I'm with you on this - 2.8% is far better than I expected (about £5.90 a day better off). Having just read the whole thing back to front the good news is that they are hinting that all aircrew below the rank of Wg Cdr will go onto PAS and that WSOs will have the level-bar removed - now if that comes off then that will be a significant result for JOs and Sqn Ldrs.
By the way the link to the document is here: http://www.ome.uk.com/downloads/AFPR...ort%202009.pdf
Now what can I spend £5.90 on...
LJ
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Not that great...
PAS is one thing but look at the increase for RN Divers. Is that a substantial increase for them...Level 1 PO 44 072
Level 7 PO 49 679
Level 1 CPO 49 703
Level 9 CPO 55 878
Level 1 WO1 54 729
Level 7 WO1 59 310
Poor old NCA Aircrew....
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Less Tax too.
Lest we forget the 20% tax threshold rises from £6035 to £6475, 40% tax threshold rises from £34.8K to £37.4K. OK, top NI t/h up a fair bit too, but at least it's 'only' at 11%.
Net gain is circa £340 p/a, on top of any pay rise, assuming you were, and still are, paying 40%
Net gain is circa £340 p/a, on top of any pay rise, assuming you were, and still are, paying 40%
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Now as I am paid my pension in pounds, but convert and send them to me in Oz dollars, am I better or worse off, given the present UK and OZ bank rates and the international exchange rate? Or should I just bite the proverbial bullet and return to the UK to support the government in watching porn?!
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Found this in the renention/FRI bit
So what are they going to do with FP then? Sounds like if airline recruitment starts again and guys start to leave...........
Will they make it pensionable?
They reckon we are going to be 20% down on required strength of RAF pilots by 2011. Could make for some interesting offers??
Thoughts anyone
The 2009 periodic review of Flying
Pay will provide the vehicle for the market assessment, a reappraisal of the effectiveness
of all proposed solutions and further analysis of the single-Service manning positions
Pay will provide the vehicle for the market assessment, a reappraisal of the effectiveness
of all proposed solutions and further analysis of the single-Service manning positions
Will they make it pensionable?
They reckon we are going to be 20% down on required strength of RAF pilots by 2011. Could make for some interesting offers??
Thoughts anyone
Interesting that the SofS had corresponded with the Body
Paragraph 2.16 Page 18
I read that as "you will restrict the payrise even if you think a greater rise is justifiable as it will cost elsewhere. We cannot afford anything after bailing out all the wasters from the banks and as usual our troops can take a kicking!!" 
SJ
"The Secretary of State wrote to us on 13 January 2009, to set out the Government's view on the impact of the developing economic conditions. He pointed to forecasts of continuing recession in 2009 with rapidly falling inflation and a weakening labour market. The letter emphasised the Government's fiscal measures to support the economy and its priority to ensure sustainability of public finances. The Secretary of State commented upon the relative attractiveness of public sector employment and his confidence that the "excellent" Armed Forces' package will lead to improved recruitment and retention in the coming months with some improvement already seen in the latter part of 2008. Finally the Secretary of State commented on the importance of a fair pay award that ensured sufficient resources for other parts of the package and emphasised that awards above the paybill assumptions would require compensating cuts to other Defence priorities"
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Has anyone else noticed that the pay award seems to have been overshadowed by the Iraq handover news. I guess that was what they (.gov) were hoping for.
I for one think we've been lucky when you consider so many of the population have frozen or cut their pay just so they can stay in employment.
SA
I for one think we've been lucky when you consider so many of the population have frozen or cut their pay just so they can stay in employment.
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I see they're making a big deal about decreasing the LSA level increments from 300 days to 240 days in line with what they say is a typical maximum 6 month deployment plus workup. Well I may be way off, especially with regards to the army but 8 months away per det (Including training) to get the new level with the retention of the 10 day qualifying period (ie you can't go home at weekends during training and you can't do multiple short pieces of workup training) seems a bit steep.
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Changing from a 300 to a 240 day qualifying period between levels would better reflect common operational tours of up to six months (plus the required pre-operational training) thereby providing a step change in compensation between each major deployment.
Also if the levels have reduced to 240 days why is level 1 still 340 days?
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COMPENSATORY ALLOWANCES
LONGER SEPARATION ALLOWANCE Rate
£ per day
Level 1 (up to 340 days qualifying separation) 6.56
Level 2 (341-580 days qualifying separation) 10.25
Level 3 (581-820) 13.96
Level 4 (821-1060) 15.32
Level 5 (1061-1300) 16.50
Level 6 (1301-1540) 17.68
Level 7 (1541-1780) 18.84
Level 8 (1781-2020) 20.62
Level 9 (2021-2260) 21.80
Level 10 (2261-2500) 22.99
Level 11 (2501-2740) 24.16
Level 12 (2741-2980) 25.34
Level 13 (2981-3220) 26.51
Level 14 (3221+) 27.69
Ant
IIRC......A few AFPRBs ago, when they introduced these revised rates and conditions, they gave everybody who was in the mob a 'standard' 100 days as a starter. New recruits who hadn't depolyed were to start on zero.
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Changing from a 300 to a 240 day qualifying period between levels would better reflect common operational tours of up to six months (plus the required pre-operational training) thereby providing a step change in compensation between each major deployment.
Also if the levels have reduced to 240 days why is level 1 still 340 days?
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COMPENSATORY ALLOWANCES
LONGER SEPARATION ALLOWANCE Rate
£ per day
Level 1 (up to 340 days qualifying separation) 6.56
Level 2 (341-580 days qualifying separation) 10.25
Level 3 (581-820) 13.96
Level 4 (821-1060) 15.32
Level 5 (1061-1300) 16.50
Level 6 (1301-1540) 17.68
Level 7 (1541-1780) 18.84
Level 8 (1781-2020) 20.62
Level 9 (2021-2260) 21.80
Level 10 (2261-2500) 22.99
Level 11 (2501-2740) 24.16
Level 12 (2741-2980) 25.34
Level 13 (2981-3220) 26.51
Level 14 (3221+) 27.69
Ant
IIRC......A few AFPRBs ago, when they introduced these revised rates and conditions, they gave everybody who was in the mob a 'standard' 100 days as a starter. New recruits who hadn't depolyed were to start on zero.
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Reduction in Flying Pay
I noticed tucked in the back of the report that flying pay will be quite significantly reduced if not in a flying related post. What exactly does that mean? One has no power over where one is posted so surely this is not quite right.
There does not seem to be too much of an incentive to stay in on the career stream if this is the case - especially if one should be promoted beyond Lt Cdr/Major/Sqn Ldr.
There does not seem to be too much of an incentive to stay in on the career stream if this is the case - especially if one should be promoted beyond Lt Cdr/Major/Sqn Ldr.