Pay Rise on 1st April 09?
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Not sure why PP's post would put AIDU 'Back in a Box'?
Seem's to me, that PP's comment that 'Pride, doesn't put food on the table', rather echos my sentiment? Don't you think?
If I'm wrong, I'll stand by to be corrected.
Advo
Seem's to me, that PP's comment that 'Pride, doesn't put food on the table', rather echos my sentiment? Don't you think?
If I'm wrong, I'll stand by to be corrected.
Advo
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Given the data in the Written Answer on Armed Forces: Manpower given in the House of Commons 2 days ago, I would expect that this year's Armed Forces pay settlement would be a good one!
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The second page, for the RAF, doesn't make for good reading...
The problem is that most people aren't that pissed off with the pay, they are pissed off with the lifestyle that has changed massively in the last 10 years...a payrise, I personally don't think, will make that much difference to the people who will be leaving anyway.
The problem is that most people aren't that pissed off with the pay, they are pissed off with the lifestyle that has changed massively in the last 10 years...a payrise, I personally don't think, will make that much difference to the people who will be leaving anyway.
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Have a look at the SoS's statement when last year's AFPRB report was published (my bold at the bottom):
Given the wide spread of manning shortfalls that now seem to exist, and the number of different FRIs that this seems to call for, it just seemed to me that a decent pay rise might be a lot easier and less divisive. Guess we'll just have to wait and see.
7 Feb 2008 :
The Secretary of State for Defence (Des Browne): The 2008 report of the Armed Forces’ Pay Review Body (AFPRB) has now been published. I wish to express my thanks to the chairman and members of the review body for their report. I am pleased to confirm that the AFPRB's recommendations are to be accepted in full, with implementation effective from 1 April 2008.
In line with the AFPRB recommendations, the basic military salary for officers and all other ranks will increase by 2.6 per cent. In addition, the AFPRB has recommended an increase to X-factor of 1 per cent. and a restructuring to increase the amount of X-factor paid to officers at Lieutenant-Colonel, Colonel and Brigadier (and equivalent) ranks.
The rates of specialist pay (including flying pay, submarine pay, diving pay and hydrographic pay) will also increase by 2.6 per cent. The Government have also accepted the AFPRB’s recommendation to introduce additional targeted financial retention incentives for Nuclear Submarine Watchkeepers, Army Vehicle Mechanics, Royal Artillery, RAF Regiment Gunners and Firefighters and a new category of specialist pay for Explosive Ordnance Disposal personnel to tackle specific recruitment and retention issues.
The Secretary of State for Defence (Des Browne): The 2008 report of the Armed Forces’ Pay Review Body (AFPRB) has now been published. I wish to express my thanks to the chairman and members of the review body for their report. I am pleased to confirm that the AFPRB's recommendations are to be accepted in full, with implementation effective from 1 April 2008.
In line with the AFPRB recommendations, the basic military salary for officers and all other ranks will increase by 2.6 per cent. In addition, the AFPRB has recommended an increase to X-factor of 1 per cent. and a restructuring to increase the amount of X-factor paid to officers at Lieutenant-Colonel, Colonel and Brigadier (and equivalent) ranks.
The rates of specialist pay (including flying pay, submarine pay, diving pay and hydrographic pay) will also increase by 2.6 per cent. The Government have also accepted the AFPRB’s recommendation to introduce additional targeted financial retention incentives for Nuclear Submarine Watchkeepers, Army Vehicle Mechanics, Royal Artillery, RAF Regiment Gunners and Firefighters and a new category of specialist pay for Explosive Ordnance Disposal personnel to tackle specific recruitment and retention issues.
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"Why do you think the pilots were getting FRI's? Duh!!!!!Not because they were undermanned but because the airlines were recruiting"
Aaand therefore creating a manning problem as people left. Hmmmmm
"I take it from that comment you are in the infantry? Well you made the decision to join so don't blame me"
And why would I blame you?
U know what they say about assumtions.
Aaand therefore creating a manning problem as people left. Hmmmmm
"I take it from that comment you are in the infantry? Well you made the decision to join so don't blame me"
And why would I blame you?
U know what they say about assumtions.
Salary isn't the problem with the Armed Forces.
Inflation is all that should be offered on salaries.
Why have Flying Pay - tie it in with salaries and then the Final Pension will be improved?
If money is going to be thrown at the Forces - spend it on hardware and accommodation.
Inflation is all that should be offered on salaries.
Why have Flying Pay - tie it in with salaries and then the Final Pension will be improved?
If money is going to be thrown at the Forces - spend it on hardware and accommodation.
WildRover,
What value of inflation, RPI, CPI and I think there is a third value......??
Measured when, which month of the year...??
Traditional the value of inflation in September of the previous year is used as the baseline for comparison in public sector pay.
I believe the value of inflation in Sept 08 was about 4%.
So, using your logic, I'll have a 4% pay rise please.
I bet you the AFPRB recommendation is much lower than that!!!!
P.S. RPI Sep 08 was 5% (that is what military pensions will go up by!)
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/downloa...onomy/RP04.pdf
CPI was similar:
National Statistics Online
I'm not suggesting we should get that amount, just pointing out the consequences of your suggestion!!
What value of inflation, RPI, CPI and I think there is a third value......??
Measured when, which month of the year...??
Traditional the value of inflation in September of the previous year is used as the baseline for comparison in public sector pay.
I believe the value of inflation in Sept 08 was about 4%.
So, using your logic, I'll have a 4% pay rise please.
I bet you the AFPRB recommendation is much lower than that!!!!
P.S. RPI Sep 08 was 5% (that is what military pensions will go up by!)
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/downloa...onomy/RP04.pdf
CPI was similar:
National Statistics Online
I'm not suggesting we should get that amount, just pointing out the consequences of your suggestion!!
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I have been watching this thread from overseas,some good posts - others I wish to distance myself from the contributors as far away as possible and question if these posters are actually in the military or just stirring the pot to get a bite (no names, no pack drill).
But can someone please help with this question that I am having great difficulty in understanding.....
Why all of sudden is the Private Sector now looking enviously at my job security, my stable wage and my pension when he/she has fallen on hard times, and yet only 3 years ago the Private Sector was looking down its nose at my mediocre salary, my mediocre Ts&Cs and quality of life and as to not getting bonuses, that was just an alien concept to the Private Sector.
So just because BT, BA and all of the of the other 'big' corporations are willingly advertising pay and bonus freezes and asking for a review of the Public Sector pensions, then why is anyone listening to them and pandering to their whimpers that 'it is sooooo unfair'?
Many of these corporations dished huge bonuses, have I ever said that it was unfair your Majesty can I too have a Christmas bonus for my 2 operational tours this year.....no. Did I spend spend spend my 'hypothetical' bonus on second homes, fast cars and expensive holidays....no.
So where has all of this money that was dished out to the Private Sector in high salaries and bonuses gone? Why should I be made to feel guilty because I am doing exactly the same as I have done for years?
Does this mean if I do get a pay freeze or my pension gets raided to appease the masses in the city and provide 'Government leadership' then I sincerely hope that when we do come out of the recession and the city goes back to its old ways that I too will have a voice inParliament that will see the city 'share' its good fortunes with the Public Servants (Police, Fire, Nurses, HM Forces etc etc) that have just done their job without all of the bling of bonuses and exceedingly large salaries.
Please help me, as this to me this is fundamental issue that obviously I am being thick about.
But can someone please help with this question that I am having great difficulty in understanding.....
Why all of sudden is the Private Sector now looking enviously at my job security, my stable wage and my pension when he/she has fallen on hard times, and yet only 3 years ago the Private Sector was looking down its nose at my mediocre salary, my mediocre Ts&Cs and quality of life and as to not getting bonuses, that was just an alien concept to the Private Sector.
So just because BT, BA and all of the of the other 'big' corporations are willingly advertising pay and bonus freezes and asking for a review of the Public Sector pensions, then why is anyone listening to them and pandering to their whimpers that 'it is sooooo unfair'?
Many of these corporations dished huge bonuses, have I ever said that it was unfair your Majesty can I too have a Christmas bonus for my 2 operational tours this year.....no. Did I spend spend spend my 'hypothetical' bonus on second homes, fast cars and expensive holidays....no.
So where has all of this money that was dished out to the Private Sector in high salaries and bonuses gone? Why should I be made to feel guilty because I am doing exactly the same as I have done for years?
Does this mean if I do get a pay freeze or my pension gets raided to appease the masses in the city and provide 'Government leadership' then I sincerely hope that when we do come out of the recession and the city goes back to its old ways that I too will have a voice inParliament that will see the city 'share' its good fortunes with the Public Servants (Police, Fire, Nurses, HM Forces etc etc) that have just done their job without all of the bling of bonuses and exceedingly large salaries.
Please help me, as this to me this is fundamental issue that obviously I am being thick about.
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Maroon Man,
I could not agree more, and as already stated on this thread the public sector have had the least posible pay rise for years while Brown was being 'prudent'. During which the private sector was reaping the rewards of a thriving economy. Whilst our jobs may be more secure than the private sector at the moment our payrise will still be miniscule. The public sector are always on a loose loose whilst at least the private sector wins sometimes!!!
I could not agree more, and as already stated on this thread the public sector have had the least posible pay rise for years while Brown was being 'prudent'. During which the private sector was reaping the rewards of a thriving economy. Whilst our jobs may be more secure than the private sector at the moment our payrise will still be miniscule. The public sector are always on a loose loose whilst at least the private sector wins sometimes!!!
Hi Biggus,
You won't 4 or 5%. 2 or 3% if you are lucky would be my guess. However with the economy in decline - maybe 0 is more realistic.
Not the words the military want to here - but the honest words.
Best
Wildman
You won't 4 or 5%. 2 or 3% if you are lucky would be my guess. However with the economy in decline - maybe 0 is more realistic.
Not the words the military want to here - but the honest words.
Best
Wildman
WildRover,
I don't expect 4 or 5%, neither did I say we deserve it.
All I was trying to point out (and I wasn't having a dig) was that saying something like, "...inflation is all that should be offered on salaries...", is actually far more complicated than it at first appears.
Anyway, whatever is actually announced, I'm sure Mrs Biggus wll have no trouble spending it....
I don't expect 4 or 5%, neither did I say we deserve it.
All I was trying to point out (and I wasn't having a dig) was that saying something like, "...inflation is all that should be offered on salaries...", is actually far more complicated than it at first appears.
Anyway, whatever is actually announced, I'm sure Mrs Biggus wll have no trouble spending it....
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Economic calendar | financial calendar | Forex economic calendar
UK average earnings are announced by national statistics on Thursday.
I bet they are waiting to see how they pan out to justify public sector settlements, then do them all in a one-er.
Good news is the predicted wage settlement for Jan is currently at 3.5% (non bonus) which will do me fine!
UK average earnings are announced by national statistics on Thursday.
I bet they are waiting to see how they pan out to justify public sector settlements, then do them all in a one-er.
Good news is the predicted wage settlement for Jan is currently at 3.5% (non bonus) which will do me fine!
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Anyone for today ?
Really surprised this info isn't out yet . . . and the fact that people who will be in the know about the award or the release date are keeping quiet.
FTP
Really surprised this info isn't out yet . . . and the fact that people who will be in the know about the award or the release date are keeping quiet.
FTP