So What About Harry Then??
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"Calling someone "Paki" is because of the colour of their skin. The term Paki is racist and this case proves once again that the armed forces are institutionally racist".
So, calling a Pakistani a "Paki" is "Racist"...Just because the colour of their skin? Ok....When I was at school I had a good friend, a Pakistani, a few times he called me a "Brit", and some others have too, I'm caucasian, I'm a Brit, so does that make theirs comments "Racist"? Even if it was just friendly chit-chat?...
We now live in a time where it's "Wrong" to say such things, for example, I'm sure some of you have seen the "Only Fools And Horses" episode where Del-Boy got a hold of a lead nuclear full out shelter, built it up & stayed in it for a couple of days, Rodney says: "What if a bomb does drop and we go out to see that everythings gone, where do we get food?". Del-Boy replies: "Theres bout to be a little paki shop open somewhere". (Script went somewhere along those lines anyway, but I'm sure a lot of you have seen it). At one time, when that episode was on TV, you used to hear him say that, but now, that short scene is cut from the show.....I mean, when my nieces went to nursery, they weren't allowed to sing "Ba-ba black sheep" because the school thought, "It was wrong". (For obvious reasons) I'm not kidding!
It's got to a point where it's just gotten really silly, childishly silly...Like this Harry nonsense, the way the news papers, TV news etc are reacting, you'd think he'd committed mass murder or something.
Just a thought, the Dam Busters hasn't been on TV for quite a while hasn't it? I wonder why?
There you go, something aviation related....
So, calling a Pakistani a "Paki" is "Racist"...Just because the colour of their skin? Ok....When I was at school I had a good friend, a Pakistani, a few times he called me a "Brit", and some others have too, I'm caucasian, I'm a Brit, so does that make theirs comments "Racist"? Even if it was just friendly chit-chat?...
We now live in a time where it's "Wrong" to say such things, for example, I'm sure some of you have seen the "Only Fools And Horses" episode where Del-Boy got a hold of a lead nuclear full out shelter, built it up & stayed in it for a couple of days, Rodney says: "What if a bomb does drop and we go out to see that everythings gone, where do we get food?". Del-Boy replies: "Theres bout to be a little paki shop open somewhere". (Script went somewhere along those lines anyway, but I'm sure a lot of you have seen it). At one time, when that episode was on TV, you used to hear him say that, but now, that short scene is cut from the show.....I mean, when my nieces went to nursery, they weren't allowed to sing "Ba-ba black sheep" because the school thought, "It was wrong". (For obvious reasons) I'm not kidding!
It's got to a point where it's just gotten really silly, childishly silly...Like this Harry nonsense, the way the news papers, TV news etc are reacting, you'd think he'd committed mass murder or something.
Just a thought, the Dam Busters hasn't been on TV for quite a while hasn't it? I wonder why?
There you go, something aviation related....
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43 posts so far. All apparently approving of the use of the words "Paki" and "Rag head" to describe or annotate a fellow human being.
That should be taken into account before the little prick apologises for his background. He didn't know any better.
At least, this time, he was blurting his racist thoughts in uniform -- a uniform other than that of the Africa Korp. This time.
That should be taken into account before the little prick apologises for his background. He didn't know any better.
At least, this time, he was blurting his racist thoughts in uniform -- a uniform other than that of the Africa Korp. This time.
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Wow. What side of the bed did you get out of this morning Low Flier?
It's a good job that Harry isn't a member of this illustrious web site (as far as we know) because he would be permanently banned for the use of the term r*****d.
Anyway, I think that the main point of all this has been missed. Where is the opprobrium for the little wank*r that decided it would be a good idea to sell the clip to the media. Where does this little ****e fit on the list of Harry's friends now? Hopefully, he is being shunned by society as we speak. Perhaps he became a banker after leaving the services.
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It's a good job that Harry isn't a member of this illustrious web site (as far as we know) because he would be permanently banned for the use of the term r*****d.
Anyway, I think that the main point of all this has been missed. Where is the opprobrium for the little wank*r that decided it would be a good idea to sell the clip to the media. Where does this little ****e fit on the list of Harry's friends now? Hopefully, he is being shunned by society as we speak. Perhaps he became a banker after leaving the services.
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Henry Crun,
Unfortunately in to days ever so politically correct Armed Services, the answer is most likely YES. Surely this must say a great deal about the so & sos at the top who are running the UK Military at present. Personally I think one Corporal & a couple of foot soliders could do a dammed sight better job, those presently in charge are basically pathetic.
Wonder what Monty would say??
Unfortunately in to days ever so politically correct Armed Services, the answer is most likely YES. Surely this must say a great deal about the so & sos at the top who are running the UK Military at present. Personally I think one Corporal & a couple of foot soliders could do a dammed sight better job, those presently in charge are basically pathetic.
Wonder what Monty would say??
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The Army and ARRSE Admin (Bad CO) in particular take a slightly different and more preferable view of all this;
William and Harry
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I'm a dyed in the wool republican so this isn't been done because I'm a big fan of the monarchy. However, as members of the Armed Forces, the two princes are as entitled to the same confidentiality that we would afford any other serving soldier or officer. Any 'leaking' of information or gossip about the princes with regard to their military careers will be ruthlessly deleted, and the miscreant poster invited to commune with the mess Mk VI .455 Webley.
William and Harry
Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 5:07 pm
I'm a dyed in the wool republican so this isn't been done because I'm a big fan of the monarchy. However, as members of the Armed Forces, the two princes are as entitled to the same confidentiality that we would afford any other serving soldier or officer. Any 'leaking' of information or gossip about the princes with regard to their military careers will be ruthlessly deleted, and the miscreant poster invited to commune with the mess Mk VI .455 Webley.
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God Save Britain if "Low Flier" is representative of your Country.
This whole story is a big to-do about nothing. Sad Sad Sad that it is even on the news, especially BEFORE a comment on your dead RM!!
This whole story is a big to-do about nothing. Sad Sad Sad that it is even on the news, especially BEFORE a comment on your dead RM!!
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Low flier does not represent my country - his location is down as "Caledonia" so he is probably a Jock who are more anti than Pa.... oops, those persons of Asian origin to the North West of the Indians.
Low flier does not represent my country - his location is down as "Caledonia" so he is probably a Jock who are more anti than Pa.... oops, those persons of Asian origin to the North West of the Indians.
Did he call him "a Paki", or did he address him as "Paki". Both have been "reported". World of a difference if the gentleman in question accepted the nickname.
Interesting to know what his troops called HIM. Heinrich?
There's only one Packie Bonner.
Interesting to know what his troops called HIM. Heinrich?
There's only one Packie Bonner.
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Those who have never served or experienced comradeship can't understand the ways of those who do (or did). I'd never refer to "Louse", "Plonk", "Cassius", "Face", "Rastus", "Pug", "Wingnut", "Beaky", "Squirrel" or "Titch" by their familiar names outside the closed community in which we used them. The furore is about a film that was an invasion of privacy - not just Harry Wales's(or Windsor's) but of the whole unit of which he was part at the time.
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or at other times, "Pommy Bastard" "Brit" and "Orang Puteh" - all potentially racially offensive but still in common use.
BS aka "Peanut"
or at other times, "Pommy Bastard" "Brit" and "Orang Puteh" - all potentially racially offensive but still in common use.
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I am surprised that no-one has contacted Harry's fellow Officer Cadet Ahmed "Ah, our little Paki friend", (Harry's words, not mine), to gauge his thoughts on the matter. After all, Ahmed is the only guy that has legitimate grounds for complaint.
It seems someone in the journalist world has see sense.
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Having myself borne the term "Gweilo", which means "white devil" during my years in the far east, with good grace and humour, I would say that in view of the filming taking place and the predatory nature of the Brit(ish!) media, the comments of young HRH were ill-advised but not racist.
Just don't call an Indian a Paki....or a Brit a Jock.
Just don't call an Indian a Paki....or a Brit a Jock.
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Don't you just love the military world
I heard about this story while I was out walking, and then could not wait to get home, as I just knew it would turn out to be a non story!
As Beags alluded to earlier, saying paki is only offensive in the UK, and In America (famously George Bush shown on UK tv with no outcry) it's the norm, when referring to Pakistanis.
I think one of the reasons folk get upset about the word (possibly correctly) is that most UK Asians will be from Bangladesh or Indian, but that,s a different issue.
Anyhoo, my original reason for posting (coming from a green background) is the bizarre lifestyle of the British military, where prince Harry can be in trouble for even saying paki, but would be perfectly fine if he (in the call of duty) stuck his bayonet into the rib cage of a total stranger, twisted it to break said ribs, and puncture the unlucky chaps heart, killing him.
Now, referring to the above, imagine the possble headlines:
The prince does his duty as a hero
Or (if he said the P word while doing it)
Rasist prince
It's a funny old world, and I guess some folks will be bothered by the story (possibly middle/upper class white British), and some will not care less. But then any ppruner who has been in the military, and now is a civilian, will probably be very aware of how the majority of the public just have no idea of how military life is so very different from the average 9 to 5 civilian job.
As Beags alluded to earlier, saying paki is only offensive in the UK, and In America (famously George Bush shown on UK tv with no outcry) it's the norm, when referring to Pakistanis.
I think one of the reasons folk get upset about the word (possibly correctly) is that most UK Asians will be from Bangladesh or Indian, but that,s a different issue.
Anyhoo, my original reason for posting (coming from a green background) is the bizarre lifestyle of the British military, where prince Harry can be in trouble for even saying paki, but would be perfectly fine if he (in the call of duty) stuck his bayonet into the rib cage of a total stranger, twisted it to break said ribs, and puncture the unlucky chaps heart, killing him.
Now, referring to the above, imagine the possble headlines:
The prince does his duty as a hero
Or (if he said the P word while doing it)
Rasist prince
It's a funny old world, and I guess some folks will be bothered by the story (possibly middle/upper class white British), and some will not care less. But then any ppruner who has been in the military, and now is a civilian, will probably be very aware of how the majority of the public just have no idea of how military life is so very different from the average 9 to 5 civilian job.
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Ok I will..
Charlie Luncher,
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but you are indeed wrong. The story to which you refer was published in the Daily Mirror, a fact corroborated by the slime-ball Piers Morgan losing his editorial post over the matter. Incidently, the same slime ball masterminded and presented ITV's Best of 2008, giving an award to the British Armed Forces, in conjunction with Gordon Brown. I suppose the pair of them can sleep better at night now that the young Army Private has a glass trophy rather than both his legs and both his arms...
And to haul it back on-topic. This is a non-story. The vast majority of the comments from the World's public on the Youtube post support the notion that this is not a big deal. Move on I say.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but you are indeed wrong. The story to which you refer was published in the Daily Mirror, a fact corroborated by the slime-ball Piers Morgan losing his editorial post over the matter. Incidently, the same slime ball masterminded and presented ITV's Best of 2008, giving an award to the British Armed Forces, in conjunction with Gordon Brown. I suppose the pair of them can sleep better at night now that the young Army Private has a glass trophy rather than both his legs and both his arms...
And to haul it back on-topic. This is a non-story. The vast majority of the comments from the World's public on the Youtube post support the notion that this is not a big deal. Move on I say.
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I suppose the pair of them can sleep better at night now that the young Army Private has a glass trophy rather than both his legs and both his arms...
Very hard hitting comment.......Kind of puts this whole thread in perspective
Very hard hitting comment.......Kind of puts this whole thread in perspective
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...or a Brit a Jock.
BTW, what we are missing here is that it is the British soldier of asian ancestry's father who is complaining - and he's a Pakistani residing in Pakistan where it seems that Paki IS after all, a term of racial abuse.
I note that the Bangladeshi fellow who runs our local corner shop doesn't seem too concerned about us calling the cheap rate telephone cards "Bangla cards" - in fact some brands actually have those words inscribed upon them.
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