Flying on the 'outside'

[eurocopter beans]

Can anyone is tell me what policy within the military (british, american french or whatever) with regards to serving pilots flying for commercial gain? Is it prohibited? Should it be? My two cents would be that as long as it does not interfere with your job then why not!

[charliegolf]

My first thought is that servicemen and women are paid a daily rate for each of the 365 days in a year. Therefore, you remain at the service's disposal.

Perhaps it's changed since 1987.......

CG

[Pontius Navigator]

There were rules in QRs. I think 'men' could request permission of their CO for an external part-time job. For instance they would have to convince their CO that they could do 4 hours in a Pizza Parlour after work without affecting their day job and that there would be no conflicting demands.

For officers I don't think it was an option.

Now consider a pilot who wanted to fly for a few days while on leave. At first glance there is no conflict. However leave is supposed to be to ensure the individual has adequate R&R.

Suppose the commercial flying involved a large chunck of flying hours then he could be out of permitted flying hours just when the military required him to be fit and rested.

[Tourist]

Plenty of us do it on occasion. I can think of loads of AAC and RN, and even some crabs who are not averse to a little supplementary cash on occasion. The trick is to be flying something that is in demand outside. I imagine that the Global express pilots have been made some offers.

[spheroid]

Exactly. Whether flying or flipping burgers...all you need is your CO's approval.

[eurocopter beans]

In some forces it is prohibited to use the training you have received in the forces for outside financial gain, hence unless you had your licences prior to joining you cant fly for extra quids.

[brakedwell]

In the early 60's there was a pilot on 152 Sqn in Bahrain with a CPL, who had rejoined the RAF after a stint flying for Shell. He made some serious pocket money flying Herons and Doves for Gulf Aviation in his spare time .

[EESDL]

it is quite common........

letter from CO and follow QRs (can't remember which ones but included details about not flying in uniform etc - same applied for lorry driving .......)
one viewpoint was that it proved a useful conduit for questions/complaints/understanding re mil/civvy flying...........from personal experience quashed a few myths etc etc

[Wader2]

QRJ910

. . . A CO may only restrict . . .

(1)(d) The protection of health or morals seems to preclude working in McDonuts or as a lap dancer.

(3) . . . may not, without authority, . . .
(d) The activity will not bring the service into disrupt. See above

seriously

(6)(c) . . . no part in activities that could give rise to a reasonable suspicion that they have used or could use information gained as a result of their Service . . .

~~~~~~~~~

Interesting capitalisation of Service. Does Service mean the military organisation to which they belong or does it mean service.

[Sloppy Link]

I have had permission in the past to do just this. The rider is must not affect military effectiveness, ie, must not put me out of flying hours totals in under military or civil regulations. I was in a staff job at the time, therefore no problem.

[Roguedent]

The Bottom Line

To answer this thread i think it would be

Non - French Military
Nein - German Military
Don't understand the question - American
Kissing the gunner' daughter - Nautical flying
Hahahahahahahahaha.....you're kidding right..... - British military

Either way...good luck

[Pontius Navigator]

Originally Posted by Roguedent

To answer this thread i think it would be

Non - French Military
Nein - German Military
Don't understand the question - American
Kissing the gunner' daughter - Nautical flying
Hahahahahahahahaha.....you're kidding right..... - British military

Either way...good luck

I thought with the USAF it ws the other way round. Their day job is flying American or Northewest or whatever