CAA Class I medical, Initial Issue?
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CAA Class I medical, Initial Issue?
Quick interrogative:
Can I get my initial Class I issue at centres other than Gatwick? I've been led to believe there are certain people that can offer it to Military Pilots, however I've just been informed by a doc that I have to go through the CAA at Gatwick. The CAA website backs this up...
Obviously this incurs hassle and cost, both of which I'm keen to avoid!!
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Can I get my initial Class I issue at centres other than Gatwick? I've been led to believe there are certain people that can offer it to Military Pilots, however I've just been informed by a doc that I have to go through the CAA at Gatwick. The CAA website backs this up...
Obviously this incurs hassle and cost, both of which I'm keen to avoid!!
Ta!
From whence came that policy? CAA Medical, RAF or rumour-in-confidence?
The last information I had was that an RAF MO who has been through the relevant CAA course and has been granted AME status, may continue to conduct Initial Class 1 medicals for RAF pilots and navigators provided that he has full access to all their RAF medical documents. Although it is possible that this may change under EASA part-Medical (in around 2012).
The last information I had was that an RAF MO who has been through the relevant CAA course and has been granted AME status, may continue to conduct Initial Class 1 medicals for RAF pilots and navigators provided that he has full access to all their RAF medical documents. Although it is possible that this may change under EASA part-Medical (in around 2012).
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I got the information from the RAF SMO who did my initial medical in Aug this year. He got it from the CAA. So third hand it may be, but under the circumstance, I would rate it as fairly reliable. Notwithstanding that anything can change.
He also added that it was 'Europe' and not the CAA who is in the driving seat.
He also added that it was 'Europe' and not the CAA who is in the driving seat.
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Of course the Campaign Against Aviation are going to change this - they can then screw even more money out of us for a nonexistent service.
PS I got mine at Cranwell and they were very good, and quick.
PS I got mine at Cranwell and they were very good, and quick.
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Cheers Peeps.
For all your info I spoke to the CAA this PM. The very helpful lady on the line did seem to think that as from 1 Dec 08 you will have to go to Gatwick to get your Initial Class I medical. I have heard 1 Jan 09 mentioned, either way there isn't long to get your appointment in.
For all your info I spoke to the CAA this PM. The very helpful lady on the line did seem to think that as from 1 Dec 08 you will have to go to Gatwick to get your Initial Class I medical. I have heard 1 Jan 09 mentioned, either way there isn't long to get your appointment in.
I shall speak to CAA Medical AGAIN about this. Whilst they are generally on side (so s*d off and aim your childish invective elsewhere, Gnd), their internal information dissemination is abysmal.
In late Aug 2008, the formal reply to an RAF MO, who is also an AME, was as follows:
EASA part-Medical is a long way off, so, apart from rumours-in-confidence, there is no reason to suspect that those RAFMOs who have also qualified as CAA AMEs (and there aren't that many of them who have) will have their right to conduct Initial Class 1 medicals for pilots revoked in the near future.
In late Aug 2008, the formal reply to an RAF MO, who is also an AME, was as follows:
You can still do Initial Class 1s providing you have access to their F Med 4 and complete the Military Form giving their current MES, and the results of their CXR EEG (if they have had one) etc.
The introduction of EASA regulations may prohibit this process in the future
The introduction of EASA regulations may prohibit this process in the future
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Update
The latest gen I have is:
31 Dec 08 will be the last date for the old-style 1st issue medicals.
Post that, you'll have to go to Gatwick to get them done. The cost I've been quoted (non-verified) is about £900.
To those of you that can, I suggest you get it done pronto.
BEags: I believe the military will hold almost zero sway in the new EASA rules. We're such a minority proportion, we don't count anymore.
P.S. That is not to say SMOs etc won't do subsequent medicals. However the cost of doing them will rise for the AMEs due to extra bureaucracy
31 Dec 08 will be the last date for the old-style 1st issue medicals.
Post that, you'll have to go to Gatwick to get them done. The cost I've been quoted (non-verified) is about £900.
To those of you that can, I suggest you get it done pronto.
BEags: I believe the military will hold almost zero sway in the new EASA rules. We're such a minority proportion, we don't count anymore.
P.S. That is not to say SMOs etc won't do subsequent medicals. However the cost of doing them will rise for the AMEs due to extra bureaucracy
Couldn't get my initial Class 1 done at a Mil establishment so went to Gatwick, cost me £300 (approx), that was 18 months ago..
Found this..
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/49/SRG_Med...harges2008.pdf
Found this..
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/49/SRG_Med...harges2008.pdf
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BEgal,
Stick to backing bureaucratic NGOs and not deriding people for their opinion; that’s why this is a free to air site.
I honestly believe that the CAA are a self licking monopoly that put every obstacle possible in the way of people who love aviation - the class one fiasco for supposedly professional pilots (you may not be but the remainder of the forces try their hardest to be) is just another in a long line of money grabbing hurdles.
On the other hand you may honestly believe that our MOs are less capable than CAA MOs to interpret the suitability and requirements of aviators? If you do I suggest you S*d off and get educated.
Stick to backing bureaucratic NGOs and not deriding people for their opinion; that’s why this is a free to air site.
I honestly believe that the CAA are a self licking monopoly that put every obstacle possible in the way of people who love aviation - the class one fiasco for supposedly professional pilots (you may not be but the remainder of the forces try their hardest to be) is just another in a long line of money grabbing hurdles.
On the other hand you may honestly believe that our MOs are less capable than CAA MOs to interpret the suitability and requirements of aviators? If you do I suggest you S*d off and get educated.
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Gnd,
I'd be the first to admit the CAA has its failings (it took me several years to get out of the habit of giving the belgrano 2 fingers on the way past to my cew report centre), but your comments regarding the medical branch are ill founded.
Tar everyone with the same brush why don't you.
Actually, for issue of a Civilian Class 1, I'd say the CAA are far better qualified to just suitability; they encounter a far greater sample size of the population with a far greater range of marginal medical conditions than the RAF pilot cohort.
Bottom line: its you that needs educating, not Beags.
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I'd be the first to admit the CAA has its failings (it took me several years to get out of the habit of giving the belgrano 2 fingers on the way past to my cew report centre), but your comments regarding the medical branch are ill founded.
Tar everyone with the same brush why don't you.
Actually, for issue of a Civilian Class 1, I'd say the CAA are far better qualified to just suitability; they encounter a far greater sample size of the population with a far greater range of marginal medical conditions than the RAF pilot cohort.
Bottom line: its you that needs educating, not Beags.
pb
OK, Grunt, in that case I won't bother to investigate further, if it keeps you happy in your little ditch.
So, if people end up paying nearly £1000 because someone in the CAA has incorrectly pre-empted an EASA proposal, they'll all have you to thank.
You clearly haven't the faintest idea about the co-operative attitude of the CAA towards military aircrew - they simply do not deserve your vitriolic invective.
So, if people end up paying nearly £1000 because someone in the CAA has incorrectly pre-empted an EASA proposal, they'll all have you to thank.
You clearly haven't the faintest idea about the co-operative attitude of the CAA towards military aircrew - they simply do not deserve your vitriolic invective.
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Then I sit educated - thank you.
I still do not really understand how the Specialist in Aviation Medicine (military) could be less capable of assessing the ability to fly than his civilian counterpart. Do the CAA MOs do more courses or training? I can see that parity or uniformity of ECGs could possibly be better from one 'expert' but am I to believe that taking blood samples, blood pressure, BMI and general medical positions is different?
If it is then I am obviously stupid as are 'allegedly' my medically trained colleagues who chose to join the military; maybe I should get back into my uneducated box.
It is also a little confusing why the CAA medical section has suddenly become so exalted and this didn't happen years ago. I guess it will be something to do with world aviation advances that the military haven't bothered to keep up with.
I still do not really understand how the Specialist in Aviation Medicine (military) could be less capable of assessing the ability to fly than his civilian counterpart. Do the CAA MOs do more courses or training? I can see that parity or uniformity of ECGs could possibly be better from one 'expert' but am I to believe that taking blood samples, blood pressure, BMI and general medical positions is different?
If it is then I am obviously stupid as are 'allegedly' my medically trained colleagues who chose to join the military; maybe I should get back into my uneducated box.
It is also a little confusing why the CAA medical section has suddenly become so exalted and this didn't happen years ago. I guess it will be something to do with world aviation advances that the military haven't bothered to keep up with.
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Begal,
Back off. If you think calling me a grunt will further your cause you are more mentally challenged than I thought; it is offensive and even more childish than I would ever stoop too. You have no idea what my disposition is – this was never aimed at your eminence, so lets keep it that way!!
You campaign to your heart’s content and I wish you luck but until you can prove to me that your small minded and self impressing attitude can make one iota of a difference, I will slag the CAA as much as I [personally] wish too.
Back off. If you think calling me a grunt will further your cause you are more mentally challenged than I thought; it is offensive and even more childish than I would ever stoop too. You have no idea what my disposition is – this was never aimed at your eminence, so lets keep it that way!!
You campaign to your heart’s content and I wish you luck but until you can prove to me that your small minded and self impressing attitude can make one iota of a difference, I will slag the CAA as much as I [personally] wish too.
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Calm down, calm down!
I believe the CAA are now 1/27th of EASA. The new regs are being imposed by countries who have far fewer pilots, but each hold an equal voting share.
Each country is desperate to make their impact on the new regs so don't blame the CAA!
For what it's worth though, the CAA are not averse to overcharging for services (such as the £250 to process your licence application!!!). This obviously does little to improve their image.
Gnd: comments like:
are out of line. 
BEags has had a significant impact on the way our hours contribute towards an ATPL; I believe we have him to thank for the Bridging and 'Freebie' dispensation deals. 
Now let's all put our teddies back where they belong and try and make constructive posts, to help our colleagues.
I believe the CAA are now 1/27th of EASA. The new regs are being imposed by countries who have far fewer pilots, but each hold an equal voting share.
Each country is desperate to make their impact on the new regs so don't blame the CAA!
For what it's worth though, the CAA are not averse to overcharging for services (such as the £250 to process your licence application!!!). This obviously does little to improve their image.
Gnd: comments like:
until you can prove to me that your small minded and self impressing attitude can make one iota of a difference
BEags has had a significant impact on the way our hours contribute towards an ATPL; I believe we have him to thank for the Bridging and 'Freebie' dispensation deals. Now let's all put our teddies back where they belong and try and make constructive posts, to help our colleagues.