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Indeed 'puken. Makes you wonder if anyone in the policy department (dresses etc) has ever looked up the definition of 'uniform'. I reckon you could have a parade with no two people wearing the same iteration of blues. Of course, some should continue to sport flying boots, preferably former bona mates, resplendent with zips. There are at least 3 different wolly pullies to choose from; the delightful nylon jacket, the blue leather one (Jehovah!), Geltex, son of Geltex, rain coat (sorry, I gave mine back) and one of the old stalwarts is bound to have a great coat kicking around somewhere. Throw in some Akrotiri shirts circa 1992 in a totally different shade of blue and you should have a veritable cornucopia of 'uniform' personnel.
As for me, I shall just be pulling on the same garb as every other pilot in the company (number of stripes variable), though we do get to choose between a proper tie or a clip on one. Makes life so much easier.
As for me, I shall just be pulling on the same garb as every other pilot in the company (number of stripes variable), though we do get to choose between a proper tie or a clip on one. Makes life so much easier.
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This decision is Leadership suicide at its best. I have been a member of HM Royal Air Force long enough to have a pension in-sight. With time served both on the ground and in the air. During that time I have seen this 'decision' acted upon at both Sqn and Stn level, and each has died a death within weeks if not months. The logistics required to enforce it (changing room) are not available at every sqn, as even lockers are not in abundance. I give it 6 months max.
As an aside, when steely eyed killer pitches up (in flying suit) at the local garage to refuel his thoroughbred steed, be it 2 wheels or 4, does much to sow the seeds of the next generation of military flyers. Perhaps ex-flyer now adorned with much braid received an "A'right guvn'r" at his petrol station and decided that it was time the poacher became gamekeeper.
The aircrew / groundcrew rig debate is immortal if a little tedious.
As an aside, when steely eyed killer pitches up (in flying suit) at the local garage to refuel his thoroughbred steed, be it 2 wheels or 4, does much to sow the seeds of the next generation of military flyers. Perhaps ex-flyer now adorned with much braid received an "A'right guvn'r" at his petrol station and decided that it was time the poacher became gamekeeper.
The aircrew / groundcrew rig debate is immortal if a little tedious.
Non-uniform uniform day
How about this for a game - arrange for a day in the none too distant future to turn up to work in "uniform".
The rules are:
You place a sum of money in a pot each time you wish to wear a contentious uniform combination.
You must turn up in some thing that was issued as uniform - not necessarily recently or indeed to you.
If you arrive in work and you are wearing the same uniform as anyone else you must change.....(at least one item must be different) - the army seem to achieve this with no effort.
You must have a plausible reason for wearing the particular combination.
Points are scored for level of interview attained.
If the SWO has a heart attack/aneurism you win the pot.
(please add rules for the game)
The rules are:
You place a sum of money in a pot each time you wish to wear a contentious uniform combination.
You must turn up in some thing that was issued as uniform - not necessarily recently or indeed to you.
If you arrive in work and you are wearing the same uniform as anyone else you must change.....(at least one item must be different) - the army seem to achieve this with no effort.
You must have a plausible reason for wearing the particular combination.
Points are scored for level of interview attained.
If the SWO has a heart attack/aneurism you win the pot.
(please add rules for the game)
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Ununiform Challenge
B.U.S.,
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Pylot:
I can't believe you've stooped to the depths of leather! I can recall a time where you were in favour of Zero Tolerance to 'extremes of fashion', including spot checks in an individual's mess bedroom (deemed to be Public Places by your rules) and Public areas being extended to a radius of 10 miles. If I recall correctly, a Tesco (Note not Tescos*) shop would require a 3-piece suit as minimum dress standard.
You've changed
* Be aware that J. Sainsbury has had to change its name to Sainsbury's due to this phenomenon of adding an 'S' to the end of major supermarket brand's title. I fear that Marks and Spencer may also fall foul of this aberration. Note that Co-Op doesn't thankfully.
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Pylot:
I can't believe you've stooped to the depths of leather! I can recall a time where you were in favour of Zero Tolerance to 'extremes of fashion', including spot checks in an individual's mess bedroom (deemed to be Public Places by your rules) and Public areas being extended to a radius of 10 miles. If I recall correctly, a Tesco (Note not Tescos*) shop would require a 3-piece suit as minimum dress standard.
You've changed
* Be aware that J. Sainsbury has had to change its name to Sainsbury's due to this phenomenon of adding an 'S' to the end of major supermarket brand's title. I fear that Marks and Spencer may also fall foul of this aberration. Note that Co-Op doesn't thankfully.
I don't own this space under my name. I should have leased it while I still could
Got a proper raincoat somewhere, made in 1959. Then there was the flasher mac replacement before the recent (current?) shortie trench coat.
Remember the shiney green nylon rain wear and the blue before it?
I have a Kiwi tropical rain coat somewhere.
Remember the shiney green nylon rain wear and the blue before it?
I have a Kiwi tropical rain coat somewhere.
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How about this for a game - arrange for a day in the none too distant future to turn up to work in "uniform".
The rules are:
You place a sum of money in a pot each time you wish to wear a contentious uniform combination.
You must turn up in some thing that was issued as uniform - not necessarily recently or indeed to you.
If you arrive in work and you are wearing the same uniform as anyone else you must change.....(at least one item must be different) - the army seem to achieve this with no effort.
You must have a plausible reason for wearing the particular combination.
Points are scored for level of interview attained.
If the SWO has a heart attack/aneurism you win the pot.
(please add rules for the game)
The rules are:
You place a sum of money in a pot each time you wish to wear a contentious uniform combination.
You must turn up in some thing that was issued as uniform - not necessarily recently or indeed to you.
If you arrive in work and you are wearing the same uniform as anyone else you must change.....(at least one item must be different) - the army seem to achieve this with no effort.
You must have a plausible reason for wearing the particular combination.
Points are scored for level of interview attained.
If the SWO has a heart attack/aneurism you win the pot.
(please add rules for the game)
If you arrive in work and you are wearing the same uniform as anyone else you must change.....(at least one item must be different) - the army seem to achieve this with no effort.
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Does that now mean that the Officer's hound, four legs, tail waggy, big teeth, must now be of uniform proportion or must be a uniform model?
Rothwell had a Spotty Dog, Punchy Les had Clough, the big f8eck off alsatian, and Glwyn had Jasper a golden lab: mucho heapo trouble there and all those Number 2s
Rothwell had a Spotty Dog, Punchy Les had Clough, the big f8eck off alsatian, and Glwyn had Jasper a golden lab: mucho heapo trouble there and all those Number 2s
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EdSett110 asked: Is it possible that the CBN was directed to the people working in MOD where, up to now, they have been in civvies?
IBN 27/08: There will be no change immediately for personnel serving in the MOD in London. However, visitors to MOD may wear uniform as they see fit.
So, those in the most publicly visible place are not currently required to comply with the corporate image we're trying to project.
IBN 27/08: There will be no change immediately for personnel serving in the MOD in London. However, visitors to MOD may wear uniform as they see fit.
So, those in the most publicly visible place are not currently required to comply with the corporate image we're trying to project.
10 pages distilled into 2 sentences and a statement....here is the ground truth:
1. Aircrew (Pilots, Navs, ALMs etc), FCs, ATs, AIAs (yes... Airborne Intelligence Analyst!), Hosties and Flying Nurses will continue to wear growbags because it is comfortable and easy to pull on, and they can claim that EVERYTHING they do is flying-related even when there is no chance of flying (Ops desk, sim trg, etc).
2. All of us who wear CS95 on a regular basis (certain Engineers/Intelligence dudes) will be forced back into RAC patrol uniform with no parole. This makes us the ones who should be whining, not the growbags!
3. Air Cmnd is...fiddling while Rome burns...rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic/Herald of Free Enterprise...emptying the Thames with a tampon...pick your favourite metaphor.
Any questions?
1. Aircrew (Pilots, Navs, ALMs etc), FCs, ATs, AIAs (yes... Airborne Intelligence Analyst!), Hosties and Flying Nurses will continue to wear growbags because it is comfortable and easy to pull on, and they can claim that EVERYTHING they do is flying-related even when there is no chance of flying (Ops desk, sim trg, etc).
2. All of us who wear CS95 on a regular basis (certain Engineers/Intelligence dudes) will be forced back into RAC patrol uniform with no parole. This makes us the ones who should be whining, not the growbags!
3. Air Cmnd is...fiddling while Rome burns...rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic/Herald of Free Enterprise...emptying the Thames with a tampon...pick your favourite metaphor.
Any questions?
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If anyone at Benson is bit short of blues, I handed all mine in last week (not a moment too soon by the sound of it). Should be a few blue shirts and trousers knocking about. Seem a bit stretched around the waist area for some reason but perfectly servicable.
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The law of unintended consequences is just about to kick in.
A sqn ldr and above is entitled to first class rail travel. A commissioned officer below the rank of sqn ldr is ordinarily entitled only to a second class ticket. However it is is necessary for him to travel in uniform, ie be seen to be an officer, then he is entitled to be issued with a first class ticket.
Now which budget manager is going to say you must wear civies not withstanding the IBN?
PS, while my budman may not have executive responsibilities she still guards the shelks. She issued me with a 2nd class warrant as that is what they always issued. I upgraded myself anyway so they still paid.
A sqn ldr and above is entitled to first class rail travel. A commissioned officer below the rank of sqn ldr is ordinarily entitled only to a second class ticket. However it is is necessary for him to travel in uniform, ie be seen to be an officer, then he is entitled to be issued with a first class ticket.
Now which budget manager is going to say you must wear civies not withstanding the IBN?
PS, while my budman may not have executive responsibilities she still guards the shelks. She issued me with a 2nd class warrant as that is what they always issued. I upgraded myself anyway so they still paid.
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I searched the intranet to no avail, then it hit me 
QR 2505 (2) (b) (v) When an officer is necessarily travelling in uniform for service reasons.
Game, set, match?
QR 2505 (2) (b) (v) When an officer is necessarily travelling in uniform for service reasons.
Game, set, match?
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Just to add further; budget managers have no financial authority save for a few areas. Therefore it should be the services which drive the need, not the budget. Its somewhere in the financial management manual (JSP462?) and should be on each budget manager's letter of delegation from the budget holder.
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A commissioned officer below the rank of sqn ldr is ordinarily entitled only to a second class ticket. However it is is necessary for him to travel in uniform, ie be seen to be an officer, then he is entitled to be issued with a first class ticket.
So, an officer in uniform is someone of standing (Or sitting if on a train).
When in civilian clothes he is just another shag and can squeeze in with the rest of the bottom feeders.
So, an officer in uniform is someone of standing (Or sitting if on a train).
When in civilian clothes he is just another shag and can squeeze in with the rest of the bottom feeders.
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Phil, got it in one. Disgraceful and deceitful I reckon. There used to be a clause that the officer would travel first class if travelling with troops. Of course that fitted very well in the V-force - Chief would travel 2nd and all the aircrew 1st - I think not.
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Docker, quite right.
A line manager may be allocated resources for specific elements of a larger budget, such as overtime, travel or a particular project and the
BM has teh responsibility
To scrutinise proposals for expenditure.