Tornado off runway
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Actually,
I guess they were using max thrust reverse up to the end (I would have!), and that might have slewed them of centre.
Better to go off the end slowly off centre, than fast and straight.
Difficult day, that turned out well (ish).
Regards,
Advo
PS: They are in 25 Wg with Flaps. The only way they could would have landed at 300mph, would have been in 67Wg, which is 219Kts + Fuel ie 230Kts+, or 262+Mph. In that case, on a 6.7K runway (without cables), there would have been a fireball.......
So Much for speculation. Anyhow, well done again, hope you had a good night out! Everybody have a Great WeekEnd !!!!!
I guess they were using max thrust reverse up to the end (I would have!), and that might have slewed them of centre.
Better to go off the end slowly off centre, than fast and straight.
Difficult day, that turned out well (ish).
Regards,
Advo
PS: They are in 25 Wg with Flaps. The only way they could would have landed at 300mph, would have been in 67Wg, which is 219Kts + Fuel ie 230Kts+, or 262+Mph. In that case, on a 6.7K runway (without cables), there would have been a fireball.......
So Much for speculation. Anyhow, well done again, hope you had a good night out! Everybody have a Great WeekEnd !!!!!
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God knows why they ended up off centre - well, God and the crew. (Insert your own pilot/God complex joke here). Who's to say that it wasn't as a result of the nosegear collapse? Or max asymetric rev thrust? Or a really big magnet just out of the photos? When the official report comes out, then we'll know. Until then it's just speculation.
Don't even remotely buy the 300mph thing though...
Blunty
Don't even remotely buy the 300mph thing though...
Blunty
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Just re-measured it on Google Earth! If you land on 'Brick 1' (Inset TH 07) you go of the hard stuff 7275 Ft Later. Sorry for my incorrect earlier post which was measured between the two inset thresholds, not including the piano keys.
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Advo
Even so....... 7275 ft is short in this case.
Regards,
Advo
Even so....... 7275 ft is short in this case.
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It took them minutes to decide the approach, actions, deal with the emergency and pull of a successful diversion and landing.... 
3 days later, sitting in the comfort of our homes or workplaces we are all still debating if the landing strip was long enough...... puts it all into context really, does it not......
3 days later, sitting in the comfort of our homes or workplaces we are all still debating if the landing strip was long enough...... puts it all into context really, does it not......
It took them minutes to decide the approach, actions, deal with the emergency and pull of a successful diversion and landing....
3 days later, sitting in the comfort of our homes or workplaces we are all still debating if the landing strip was long enough...... puts it all into context really, does it not......
3 days later, sitting in the comfort of our homes or workplaces we are all still debating if the landing strip was long enough...... puts it all into context really, does it not......
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You make a very valid point, H P, and many instances have occurred where an aircraft has been hastily and unsafely returned to Earth with a problem that could well have been better handled with less haste.
However, this is certainly not the place to dissect accidents and incidents without access to all the facts.
However, this is certainly not the place to dissect accidents and incidents without access to all the facts.
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However, this is certainly not the place to dissect accidents and incidents without access to all the facts.
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I hope the BOI read this thread. They are sure to find ALL the facts here! No point in interviewing the crew now...
I like the idea of a big magnet, just off the side of the runway... or maybe it was Coriolis...
I like the idea of a big magnet, just off the side of the runway... or maybe it was Coriolis...
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Bit of a storm brewing here, but my point was only:
The crew had some kind of emergency, and made their choices. They might not have had many reasonable 'other' options, and so, we can only assume, they went with a plan based on the best info they had, and the time they had.
In the end, it was 'untidy', but nobody got hurt. (Unlike the truely tragic events at Brawdy, that a previous poster mentioned.)
I don't want to do the BOI's job, but looks to me like a 'best out of a bad day' event.
Regards,
Advo
The crew had some kind of emergency, and made their choices. They might not have had many reasonable 'other' options, and so, we can only assume, they went with a plan based on the best info they had, and the time they had.
In the end, it was 'untidy', but nobody got hurt. (Unlike the truely tragic events at Brawdy, that a previous poster mentioned.)
I don't want to do the BOI's job, but looks to me like a 'best out of a bad day' event.
Regards,
Advo
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Went passed tonight and the Tornado is still on the back of the truck a week later with the canopy wide open!!!!!
I hope last nights rain won't have got passed the blue cover laid over the front dash.
I hope last nights rain won't have got passed the blue cover laid over the front dash.
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Possibly the canopy was left wide open to get rid of the smell the aircrew left when they sh@t themselves.
No disrespect to the guys, but hurtling down a long/short/medium sized runway at 300/200/100 knots with 25/45/65 degree wing, I think I would have sh@t myself too!!
No disrespect to the guys, but hurtling down a long/short/medium sized runway at 300/200/100 knots with 25/45/65 degree wing, I think I would have sh@t myself too!!
