Crab SAR crews (and cabs?) in Afghan?
Many years ago I had been at my first civvy job for three days. An ex-navy pilot started wandering around the ops room sniffing the air and saying "Crabs, can you smell crabs".
This was not the envirionment that I wished to work in so I went into the chief pilot's office and told him the reason I was leaving.
I left, thirty minutes later the other was fired.
This was not the envirionment that I wished to work in so I went into the chief pilot's office and told him the reason I was leaving.
I left, thirty minutes later the other was fired.
I find it best to try and ignore the navy. Most of the banter stems from a massive inferiority complex.
If they wanted to fly, they would have made the grade for the RAF, if they wanted to be fine leaders of men, they would have joined the Army.
Instead, they wallow in their own irrelevance, sneering at the other services and using the RM as a cloak of respectability.
Most booties I know quite rightly think of theselves as the fourth Armed Service, not a bolt on appendage of the war canoe fleet.
Apart from that, the RN are delightful.
If they wanted to fly, they would have made the grade for the RAF, if they wanted to be fine leaders of men, they would have joined the Army.
Instead, they wallow in their own irrelevance, sneering at the other services and using the RM as a cloak of respectability.
Most booties I know quite rightly think of theselves as the fourth Armed Service, not a bolt on appendage of the war canoe fleet.
Apart from that, the RN are delightful.
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Marly Lite:
1 cab on 1st standby for 24 hours a day with a second cab on RS60 (60 minutes notice) during daylight hours, 365 days a year.
Add to that 2 SAR Force crews in the Falklands at any given time. When you add courses, leave, filling in for medically downgraded staff and, perhaps, a day off, I think that your comments about overmanning are at best naive.
Unless, of course, you are part of the SAR Force and are sarcastically taking the p*ss.
The only question I have is 4 crews to man 1 on call SAR stby cab? Surely this is overmanning? 1 day in 4 on shift?
Add to that 2 SAR Force crews in the Falklands at any given time. When you add courses, leave, filling in for medically downgraded staff and, perhaps, a day off, I think that your comments about overmanning are at best naive.
Unless, of course, you are part of the SAR Force and are sarcastically taking the p*ss.
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I find it best to try and ignore loadies. Most of the banter stems from a massive inferiority complex.
If they wanted to fly, they would have made the grade for the pilot, if they wanted to be fine leaders of men, they would have become officers.
Instead, they wallow in their own irrelevance, sneering at the real aircrew and using the flying suit as a cloak of respectability.
Apart from that, the rear crew are delightful.
If they wanted to fly, they would have made the grade for the pilot, if they wanted to be fine leaders of men, they would have become officers.
Instead, they wallow in their own irrelevance, sneering at the real aircrew and using the flying suit as a cloak of respectability.
Apart from that, the rear crew are delightful.
LOL.
You've never flown the Chinook have you. Besides, if we kill off Heron Flight and it's 'real aircrew' I'll be denied the chance to sneer at you. Oh well, guess I'll live.
They turn people down?
MGD
Instead, they wallow in their own irrelevance, sneering at the real aircrew and using the flying suit as a cloak of respectability.
Did one of those nasty Navy boys turn down your advances?
MGD
Tourist!
MGD's original post was funny and very well observed, but I have to say that your riposte is Delightful (if utterly disgraceful and wrong)!
Showing a much finer and defter touch than some of your earlier attempts at wit.
Have you been drinking whatever Oscar drank, or have you been on exchange with an RAF unit?
MGD's original post was funny and very well observed, but I have to say that your riposte is Delightful (if utterly disgraceful and wrong)!
Showing a much finer and defter touch than some of your earlier attempts at wit.
Have you been drinking whatever Oscar drank, or have you been on exchange with an RAF unit?
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I have to say, that with a DComd of JHC as a previous SAR Stn Cdr and AD OPs also SAR is it any wonder that the SAR force are being pinged for Ops??? (And yes I know they have been helping out elsewhere on ops for a while!!).
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I think this is a great idea....however my two pence for what its worth.
I have a few mates who are ex SH and it makes them laugh when they hear the direct to SAR crews complain about how hard they work. It is an easier life, however I do feel sorry for the SH lads who went to SAR for a rest. Looks like it back to the finest tents JHC has to offer!!!
I have a few mates who are ex SH and it makes them laugh when they hear the direct to SAR crews complain about how hard they work. It is an easier life, however I do feel sorry for the SH lads who went to SAR for a rest. Looks like it back to the finest tents JHC has to offer!!!
I can just see some of those in the SAR force who are just a bit too comfortable with previous manning levels bumping their gums as they endure their fourth month of (shock horror) 10 shifts! Where will I have time to build my house etc etc...
I was under the impression that the seconds crew were for the chop in this new arrangement?
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It's all cynical smoke and mirors, chaps.
I don't know of any of the SAR flts that have 5 full crews! Therefore, by reducing them to 4, some Flts become fully manned instead of being 20% under established, and those with 3 crews are now only 25% under rather than 40%. Hey Presto, manning is on the up!!
Admittedly the Master Race is far better manned than the Oiks, so a few young thrusters may find their next OCU at Odiham or Benson, but don't expect to see any rearcrew with them.
Lies, damned lies and statistics!!
I don't know of any of the SAR flts that have 5 full crews! Therefore, by reducing them to 4, some Flts become fully manned instead of being 20% under established, and those with 3 crews are now only 25% under rather than 40%. Hey Presto, manning is on the up!!
Admittedly the Master Race is far better manned than the Oiks, so a few young thrusters may find their next OCU at Odiham or Benson, but don't expect to see any rearcrew with them.
Lies, damned lies and statistics!!
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if they wanted to be fine leaders of men, they would have become officers
My continued best wishes and utmost respect to those officers I consider myself fortunate to have met and/or served under over the years - probably about the same percentage of nco's who I stood in awe of over the same period.
As ever Pprune correspondents prefer to take the rip out of each other, instead of considering the significant question of how well a pipe smoking, slipper festooned crew with a big yellow cab is going to fit into Afgooliestan? Perhaps even wondering why there aren't enough camo'd alternatives (plus crews) given the several years our forces have now been in theatre.... how many years does it take to appreciate what force levels are actually required in theatre? Piss poor planning, etc, as ever... put the blame where it belongs, instead of feeding on each other.
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Unfortunately ACOS Manning don't work that way. No-one is at 100% manning, and if any unit or squadron got to 100%, Manning would just gap some posts so that the unit "took its share of the pain". In today's climate if you need 4 crews to meet the task you should ensure you are established for 5. If you set your establishment at 4 you will only get 3 and then you........ increase the PVR rate.
One might assume that to meet the frontline establishment you should man your training machine at 100% to ensure the right number of new pink bodies get pumped through the sausage machine. Anyone name a training unit that has 100% manning? Ergo....planning to fail?
I don't know of any of the SAR flts that have 5 full crews! Therefore, by reducing them to 4, some Flts become fully manned instead of being 20% under established, and those with 3 crews are now only 25% under rather than 40%.
One might assume that to meet the frontline establishment you should man your training machine at 100% to ensure the right number of new pink bodies get pumped through the sausage machine. Anyone name a training unit that has 100% manning? Ergo....planning to fail?
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Tofo,
I was commenting on how the fighting had (as ever) turned into a pi$$ing contest between branches - Energy better expended on discussing this wonderful new idea, that more helos are needed out there, and one helo and crew is pretty well the same as any other....what next I wonder, Chinny crews on R&R in Blighty covering SAR?
I was commenting on how the fighting had (as ever) turned into a pi$$ing contest between branches - Energy better expended on discussing this wonderful new idea, that more helos are needed out there, and one helo and crew is pretty well the same as any other....what next I wonder, Chinny crews on R&R in Blighty covering SAR?
