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Old 4th Oct 2008, 23:02
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Triad?

Wensleydale. In Triad for ASTOR, do you mean the coupling that allows three parts of a machine not in line with each other limited freedom of movement in any direction while going around in circles?

For the MoD, I'd try Beck's triad: rising pressure on one side, falling pressure on the other and a small quiet heart; desperately needing cardiac compression.
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Old 5th Oct 2008, 10:21
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Data-Lynx.

If you are trying to suggest Astor is a waste of the RAF's money that they should spend on Reaper instead, just say it!

This enigmatic cr@p only works in your head.
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Best Solution?

Tourist. It isn't and I am not. I have absolutely no doubt that its crews and ground station operators will make ASTOR work to the best of its ability - when it is ready. REAPER has its part to play but better coverage across a wider picture could be used now, no matter who owns it or flies it. SKASaC seems a reasonable prospect for a closer look. Forcing the birth of this ASTOR baby could stunt its growth and seems unreasonable.

Meanwhile, you might tolerate some of the word games we can play about 'Joint' on Prune without the let or hinderance that flickers around the MoD.

Unless of course , Sir, you are CAS in disguise?
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Not criticizing individuals directly, but more of an observation of how the MOD can often go into something with their eyes wide closed
...well when it was first mooted as the Corps (1 BR Corps) STand Off Radar (CASTOR) it was a BN Islander, so I'm sure in the minds of some, moving up to Bombardier seemed like a huge leap forward. They seem to have forgotten the old adage of always being able to get more into a bigger one.

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"I have absolutely no doubt that its crews and ground station operators will make ASTOR work to the best of its ability"

Very diplomatic.

'tis a pity that ability is so inflexible and useless in the current conflicts.
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Tourist, some friendly advice. Is It better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than to open it and remove all doubt.

You don't know what you are talking about so stop the negative propaganda ref' ASTOR. I'm not going to give anything away but trust me, you are wrong. Get the right sy clearances and get a brief from the boys at 5 sqn before re posting on this topic.
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Come Xmas we should all know just how usefull they are in the current conflicts.

I am not dissing it's capabilities in the cold war/tanks rolling across europe scenario, just its usefullness in todays wars. And if you know what you are talking about, then you know exactly what I mean by inflexible.

Never really had much time for the Baggers move into new overland games, never really provided me with anything particularly usefull, but if it was them or Astor, its them every time even with their limited altitude, range, endurance. etc.

On the subject of endurance incidentally, at least they have the ability to maintain permanent rolling cover over the area, something Astor will never manage until they buy some more.
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Old 5th Oct 2008, 17:42
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Tourist, as briefed. You don't know what you are talking about. I'm happy if you want to comment on the aircrafts inflexibility, no arguments there. However, I think you are showing your ignorance on particular aspects of current operations.

Again, not wanting to prompt the black Omegas arriving at my front door so I’ll leave it at that.
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Old 5th Oct 2008, 20:34
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When is the NATO AGS due to enter servive again?
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Nato Ags

Aviation Week reported in Jun 08 that the industrial consortium behind the NATO Alliance Ground Surveillance system hopes member states still will give the program the formal go-ahead this year. The next revised phase of the programme should lead to the fielding of four Global Hawks starting in 2012, based on the Block 40 Global Hawk.

To cut costs, NATO has repeatedly adjusted the program, reducing the number of UAVs to be bought while discarding a manned aircraft adjunct entirely (Airbus A321 after French double-dealing ). The latest change (Dec 07) switched from a multinational radar (Transatlantic Cooperative AGS Radar - TCAR) to buying off-the-shelf, the Multi-Platform Radar Technology Insertion Program in development in the United States.

That move cut more than cost and attempted to keep the programme to a 2012 (more like 2103) Initial Operational Capability despite delays in moving the programme forward due to prolonged wrangling among members about the AGS structure. The NATO buy would come on top of the 15 Block 40s earmarked for the U.S. Air Force.

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