RAAF Flight Screening Programme
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Use this as an advantage when going to the board - if they question your decision asto becoming a Defence Force Pilot, I'm only 18/19, still young, and becoming a pilot for the defence force is a major decision in life, especially with the 11yr contract, the void, 7month gap was for me to take a step back and reflect on my life-path before going through with these big decisions.
Believe me when I say you will need 100% motivation for this course.
If you really want it, then there is no decision.
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Hey there lads.
Long time reader, first time poster here. First off I'd like to say thanks for this thread, it has been very helpful in preparation for my upcoming flight screening program on the 14th of March at Tamworth.
I've done a Red Baron flight and have one more scheduled before I go and I think they're going to be invaluable in the way it has prepared me for how a plane handles... and also for the motion! I was airsick the first time (no chucks, just queasy) haha I thought I was done for. But the instructor assured me it was normal, especially because it was very cloudy and we couldn't even see the horizon when doing rolls. I would definitely recommend the experience to anyone in the Sydney area thinking of going for the job.
A quick question I have though. I just had root canal done (about 10 minutes ago) and I'm wondering if this is going to be affected by flying? Has anyone else had dental work within a couple of weeks of the flying I'm to expect at FSP? Hopefully the altitude or G's don't affect it. Should be able to tell on Tuesday when I go for one more quick flight.
Anyway, one more quick thanks and hopefully see some of you in the actual forces.
Cheers,
Dan
Long time reader, first time poster here. First off I'd like to say thanks for this thread, it has been very helpful in preparation for my upcoming flight screening program on the 14th of March at Tamworth.
I've done a Red Baron flight and have one more scheduled before I go and I think they're going to be invaluable in the way it has prepared me for how a plane handles... and also for the motion! I was airsick the first time (no chucks, just queasy) haha I thought I was done for. But the instructor assured me it was normal, especially because it was very cloudy and we couldn't even see the horizon when doing rolls. I would definitely recommend the experience to anyone in the Sydney area thinking of going for the job.
A quick question I have though. I just had root canal done (about 10 minutes ago) and I'm wondering if this is going to be affected by flying? Has anyone else had dental work within a couple of weeks of the flying I'm to expect at FSP? Hopefully the altitude or G's don't affect it. Should be able to tell on Tuesday when I go for one more quick flight.
Anyway, one more quick thanks and hopefully see some of you in the actual forces.
Cheers,
Dan
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Hey guys,
This is my first post on here but I have spent a long time reading (about 2 months) and would just like to thank everyone that has contributed. There are too many names to mention, but without you all I am sure my selection process wouldn't be going so well. I think the most important thing is to be more prepared than required as it is a high profile job.
I have just passed the specialist testing stage
and awaiting assessment day 
. So for anyone who needs a leg up on spec testing, I am happy to oblige. Also anyone with any tips on assessment day (other than already stated), drop us a line too.
Hope to see all of you around real soon
This is my first post on here but I have spent a long time reading (about 2 months) and would just like to thank everyone that has contributed. There are too many names to mention, but without you all I am sure my selection process wouldn't be going so well. I think the most important thing is to be more prepared than required as it is a high profile job.
I have just passed the specialist testing stage
and awaiting assessment day . So for anyone who needs a leg up on spec testing, I am happy to oblige. Also anyone with any tips on assessment day (other than already stated), drop us a line too. Hope to see all of you around real soon
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Just completed my third day of flying. I've got two days of doubles (2 flights a day) coming up so a lot to study! It's been pretty hectic so far but I'm loving it. Can't wait to hit up the Cap10 next week. If you get to go, you'll enjoy yourself but just be pepared to be pushed to your limits both mentally and emotionally. Some instructors are quite firm in their corrections of mistakes while flying haha... ouch my head!
Roller out.
Roller out.
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Flight Screening Program (FSP) - typical day
Hi guys,
Long time reader, first time poster. This forum is a great resource.
There are a few threads with very useful advice on the Flight Screening Program and OSB - in particular this lengthy one. In all the browsing, however, I haven't come across many answers to one question - what does a typical day's schedule at Flight Screening look like? E.g. wake up times, downtime, amount of classroom theory etc. Is anyone able to advise?
I understand, for example, a typical day at BFTS looks like:
0630 Brekky
0750 Morning brief
0800-1650 Ground school/flying
1650 Stand down
1800 Dinner
1900-2200 Study period
Is FSP quite similar?
Browsing the threads, I've seen just one quote from dmcleod 11/07/08,
"There will be plenty of time to study. You do 1 or 2 flight max a day the rest you have to sit in the common room and wait for everyone to finish. There are also more mass breifs and the Navy do a breif aswell." Any further advice (on this or pertaining to FSP/OSB in general) would be much appreciated.
Lastly, I'm on the FSP/OSB for May 2 - 16, so if anyone wants to get in touch, share ideas or just chat, let me know!
Cheers,
Jonathan
Long time reader, first time poster. This forum is a great resource.
There are a few threads with very useful advice on the Flight Screening Program and OSB - in particular this lengthy one. In all the browsing, however, I haven't come across many answers to one question - what does a typical day's schedule at Flight Screening look like? E.g. wake up times, downtime, amount of classroom theory etc. Is anyone able to advise?
I understand, for example, a typical day at BFTS looks like:
0630 Brekky
0750 Morning brief
0800-1650 Ground school/flying
1650 Stand down
1800 Dinner
1900-2200 Study period
Is FSP quite similar?
Browsing the threads, I've seen just one quote from dmcleod 11/07/08,
"There will be plenty of time to study. You do 1 or 2 flight max a day the rest you have to sit in the common room and wait for everyone to finish. There are also more mass breifs and the Navy do a breif aswell." Any further advice (on this or pertaining to FSP/OSB in general) would be much appreciated.
Lastly, I'm on the FSP/OSB for May 2 - 16, so if anyone wants to get in touch, share ideas or just chat, let me know!
Cheers,
Jonathan
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Mate,
I understand where you are coming from, I was in that situation as well at one stage. I recently attended FSP for RAAF pilot selection, found it wasn't for me but his a general idea of what you could expect.
Day 1/2 - Arrive at FSP in Tamworth, walk or catch a taxi to the residential house to get a brief from the owners and they will give to you
your allocated room key and advice you of all rules and regs in regard to your stay. At night or the following day first thing in the morning you will be given an introduction brief (4 hours roughly) up in the FSP buildings and be handed your pretty orange jumpsuit, study notes, headsets, kneeboard and parachute sheep skin. The rest of the day you do what you will or start studying your notes if your that eager. Generally the Sunday though is a day off.
Monday - Friday - you will generally be flying and throughout the week you'll probably get a day or two with two flights on that day, otherwise it's only one flight/day. Breakfast does vary, and I believe during the winter months its a bit later, maybe 6:00 onwards, and regardless if your flight is at 1:00pm that day, you need to be in the common room at 8:00am along with your fellow flight screeners. There you will generally study, browse the web, or be a social butterfly with everyone else (communication is essential, don't want to be your own team). During the flying, a few people do get airsick, and a good proportion of my course did get either airsick or ground sick haha. Even a guy with 150 hours had a bit of a chunder. Instructors are looking for you to overcome it though, even though you might feel like you want to die.
So your in the common room, and your flights coming up in 45 minutes. You'd by this stage be suited up (jumpsuit, sunnies, hat etc) and be making your way into the instructors rooms where you will do a 10 minute or so pre-flight brief. You'll then make your way into the parachute room to get your parachute and armrest if necessary and then make your way into the operations room to get your cushions (if necessary) and wait for your aircraft if it's still out flying. You'd hop in the aircraft and on your first flight the instructor will give you all the nuts and bolts on adjusting seats, seatbelt harnesses and rudder peds. Then you fly for maybe generaly 1 - 1.5 hours (more in the CAP10 Mudry in aerobatics). Come back from your flight, get rid of your equipment, and meet in the instructors room for a de-brief (and if you flown quite **** ..... expect a battering depending on instructor). Then back into the common room where you will wait until all your mates finish flying (unless your told otherwise).
Come home, shower, go to dinner, then the rest of the night is open to whatever you want to do (play football, tennis, swimming etc), but probably the best idea would be to allocate that time to study. Personally i found the experience to be uncomfortable because there was a lot on the line and you just want to be the best you possibly can. That won't happen without a lot of study. On the monday of the first week you do get given a model aircraft to which you need to build with the rest of your group. Throughout this week you'd also have 3 briefs and a brief from a navy/army dude trying to talk you into joining them.
Second week, more CT4 flight, a few CAP ten flights (5 if your in the advanced, 3 if basic) and then 2 simulator rides. Then obviously OSB on thursday/friday. Home on the saturday
Cheers,
Mark
I understand where you are coming from, I was in that situation as well at one stage. I recently attended FSP for RAAF pilot selection, found it wasn't for me but his a general idea of what you could expect.
Day 1/2 - Arrive at FSP in Tamworth, walk or catch a taxi to the residential house to get a brief from the owners and they will give to you
your allocated room key and advice you of all rules and regs in regard to your stay. At night or the following day first thing in the morning you will be given an introduction brief (4 hours roughly) up in the FSP buildings and be handed your pretty orange jumpsuit, study notes, headsets, kneeboard and parachute sheep skin. The rest of the day you do what you will or start studying your notes if your that eager. Generally the Sunday though is a day off.
Monday - Friday - you will generally be flying and throughout the week you'll probably get a day or two with two flights on that day, otherwise it's only one flight/day. Breakfast does vary, and I believe during the winter months its a bit later, maybe 6:00 onwards, and regardless if your flight is at 1:00pm that day, you need to be in the common room at 8:00am along with your fellow flight screeners. There you will generally study, browse the web, or be a social butterfly with everyone else (communication is essential, don't want to be your own team). During the flying, a few people do get airsick, and a good proportion of my course did get either airsick or ground sick haha. Even a guy with 150 hours had a bit of a chunder. Instructors are looking for you to overcome it though, even though you might feel like you want to die.
So your in the common room, and your flights coming up in 45 minutes. You'd by this stage be suited up (jumpsuit, sunnies, hat etc) and be making your way into the instructors rooms where you will do a 10 minute or so pre-flight brief. You'll then make your way into the parachute room to get your parachute and armrest if necessary and then make your way into the operations room to get your cushions (if necessary) and wait for your aircraft if it's still out flying. You'd hop in the aircraft and on your first flight the instructor will give you all the nuts and bolts on adjusting seats, seatbelt harnesses and rudder peds. Then you fly for maybe generaly 1 - 1.5 hours (more in the CAP10 Mudry in aerobatics). Come back from your flight, get rid of your equipment, and meet in the instructors room for a de-brief (and if you flown quite **** ..... expect a battering depending on instructor). Then back into the common room where you will wait until all your mates finish flying (unless your told otherwise).
Come home, shower, go to dinner, then the rest of the night is open to whatever you want to do (play football, tennis, swimming etc), but probably the best idea would be to allocate that time to study. Personally i found the experience to be uncomfortable because there was a lot on the line and you just want to be the best you possibly can. That won't happen without a lot of study. On the monday of the first week you do get given a model aircraft to which you need to build with the rest of your group. Throughout this week you'd also have 3 briefs and a brief from a navy/army dude trying to talk you into joining them.
Second week, more CT4 flight, a few CAP ten flights (5 if your in the advanced, 3 if basic) and then 2 simulator rides. Then obviously OSB on thursday/friday. Home on the saturday
Cheers,
Mark
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Hey everyone,
I have my Spec Testing for pilot on monday, and have been studying as much as I can for the maths component of it, which is the part that I am most worried about.
I have had a chat to a few failed applicants, aswell as a guy at ADFA who is currently studying to be a pilot, but none of them seem to remember exactly what type of maths is in the testing?
I was wondering if anyone could enlighten me as to what I should study, as I am hardcore determined to become an ADF Pilot, and would not relish having to wait a year before resitting.
Thanks
I have my Spec Testing for pilot on monday, and have been studying as much as I can for the maths component of it, which is the part that I am most worried about.
I have had a chat to a few failed applicants, aswell as a guy at ADFA who is currently studying to be a pilot, but none of them seem to remember exactly what type of maths is in the testing?
I was wondering if anyone could enlighten me as to what I should study, as I am hardcore determined to become an ADF Pilot, and would not relish having to wait a year before resitting.
Thanks
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Mark,
Thankyou very much, you've been immensely helpful. What little I already knew meshes accurately with your description; at the same time you've added much greater depth to my understanding.
Just an aside - do you think having a car up there is useful, particularly for weekends and social activities? I live in Sydney so I think it's a 6 hour drive, but if having a car up there isn't particularly useful, I'm much happier to fly.
Lastly, would you be open to elaborating why you found it wasn't for you, and purely out of interest, what you're thinking of doing now?
Thankyou very much, you've been immensely helpful. What little I already knew meshes accurately with your description; at the same time you've added much greater depth to my understanding.
Just an aside - do you think having a car up there is useful, particularly for weekends and social activities? I live in Sydney so I think it's a 6 hour drive, but if having a car up there isn't particularly useful, I'm much happier to fly.
Lastly, would you be open to elaborating why you found it wasn't for you, and purely out of interest, what you're thinking of doing now?
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Jono,
It's not a problem. It is pretty good to have a car there , generally you won't use it between monday - friday, but on weekends you might choose to go out and not want to pay $30 for a cab ride into town, then back again. There were a few guys on my course that brought their cars, so i didn't have to go out of my way and catch a cab if i wanted to head into town. Really it's up to you, but over my stay down in Tamworth we only went into town a few times.
I just found the training and tempo not so suited to my personality, but push through and go there with the right attitude, if you find it isn't you then that's life, if you love it then your laughing. I'm actually in my second year doing a Bachelor of Aviation and Graduate Diploma in Flight Management up here in Brisbane, hoping to get into the Qantas Pilot cadetship at the end of this year.
Send us a message if you any others questions, i'd be more than happy to help out.
Mark
It's not a problem. It is pretty good to have a car there , generally you won't use it between monday - friday, but on weekends you might choose to go out and not want to pay $30 for a cab ride into town, then back again. There were a few guys on my course that brought their cars, so i didn't have to go out of my way and catch a cab if i wanted to head into town. Really it's up to you, but over my stay down in Tamworth we only went into town a few times.
I just found the training and tempo not so suited to my personality, but push through and go there with the right attitude, if you find it isn't you then that's life, if you love it then your laughing. I'm actually in my second year doing a Bachelor of Aviation and Graduate Diploma in Flight Management up here in Brisbane, hoping to get into the Qantas Pilot cadetship at the end of this year.
Send us a message if you any others questions, i'd be more than happy to help out.
Mark
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Cheers Mark for your thoughts. I wish you all the best with your Av/FM degree and with getting the QANTAS cadetship later this year! Will let you know how my end goes.
Guys and Gals....
it is wise to read again Captain Sand Dune's comments above....don't make it too difficult on yourselves.
If you want it, go for it
Be prepared
Be yourself
Go with the flow, and most importantly
HAVE FUN
Basic Military flying training is all about "KISS" (Keep is simple stupid!) - just focus on the basics and apply them in the air. Build on them next time. Having fun keeps head clear - otherwise you clog up with detail and lose the big picture.
RM
it is wise to read again Captain Sand Dune's comments above....don't make it too difficult on yourselves.
If you want it, go for it
Be prepared
Be yourself
Go with the flow, and most importantly
HAVE FUN
Basic Military flying training is all about "KISS" (Keep is simple stupid!) - just focus on the basics and apply them in the air. Build on them next time. Having fun keeps head clear - otherwise you clog up with detail and lose the big picture.
RM
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Hi Peoples,
Very interesting and useful information! I am currently awaiting to have my eyes checked and then i'll hopefully be off to Tamworth for FSP.
I was just wondering if anybody knows what is involved with the Paper Board?? I haven't heard much about this stage at all, I was thinking that it may be used to rank everyone against each other or rather is it to check and verify all the information that we have sent in during the selection process. This would be a a pain because of the time and effort (and money) that went into getting copies of this information.
Also for those of you who have sat through a OSB before, what types of maths questions do they throw in throughout your interview?
Thanks, DJ
Very interesting and useful information! I am currently awaiting to have my eyes checked and then i'll hopefully be off to Tamworth for FSP.
I was just wondering if anybody knows what is involved with the Paper Board?? I haven't heard much about this stage at all, I was thinking that it may be used to rank everyone against each other or rather is it to check and verify all the information that we have sent in during the selection process. This would be a a pain because of the time and effort (and money) that went into getting copies of this information.
Also for those of you who have sat through a OSB before, what types of maths questions do they throw in throughout your interview?
Thanks, DJ
I was thinking that it may be used to rank everyone against each other or rather is it to check and verify all the information that we have sent in during the selection process.
Candidates are placed in a predictive band which is the result of all the gathered information and their performance and success factors being calculated into a score. That being said, the board is still a human process as the very experienced assessors carefully examine all aspects of the candidates performance. You should not worry about this stage at all. It is a system that puts all acceptable candidates in a pool and "creams" off the top to FSP.
If you get the invite to FSP, great! If not then you have not failed - it simply means there were more high performing candidates in the pool above you.
Just give it your best shot.
For those early in the process, if the paperwork is slow or there is no news for a long time, make sure you chase it up...like any system it is not perfect. Good luck.
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Thanks for your reply and your help roller.
One final thing that i have been thinking about. My situation is that i am 26, i don't have a lot of flying experience, about 6 hours gliding and 10 in a powered fixed wing. I haven't been to uni but I am currently completing my second apprenticeship. Do you think that will set in me in good stead when competing against the other applicants?
One final thing that i have been thinking about. My situation is that i am 26, i don't have a lot of flying experience, about 6 hours gliding and 10 in a powered fixed wing. I haven't been to uni but I am currently completing my second apprenticeship. Do you think that will set in me in good stead when competing against the other applicants?
Look mate, if you get a shot at FSP, then the final yes or "thanks for coming" will be determined by how you perform over the two weeks. Don't worry about your age and non-uni background. And you have some flying...to me that displays some motivation. I reckon if you have deep drive, good learning and aptitude in the air, work well with others and express yourself well, all under a bit of pressure...then the FSP will show this off. For those that are not as blessed this will show up too and no amount of pretending will cover it. The selectors are very experienced and the process is robust. So if you get a shot, just go for it and as I said before, be yourself and enjoy the ride.
As for getting to FSP, roughly 250-270 are sent to Tamworth for screening annually to find about 150 BFTS entrants including all three services. So just getting there is pretty competitive. If you miss out on FSP you should seek feedback on how you can be more competitive. Good luck
RM
As for getting to FSP, roughly 250-270 are sent to Tamworth for screening annually to find about 150 BFTS entrants including all three services. So just getting there is pretty competitive. If you miss out on FSP you should seek feedback on how you can be more competitive. Good luck
RM
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Cheers for a great thread, eveyone. really helpful stuff.
I myself am a 17y/o Australian Air Force Cadet (Cadet), and I am applying for Pilot(RAAF) as well. I haven't made the selectino for Pilot Testing yet, due to poor Mathematics marks...
I would like to know more about the Pilot Specialist Testing, please. As I am sure that will be happening in a short while.
Cheers and thank yous. And congratulations to those who made it to where they are.
I myself am a 17y/o Australian Air Force Cadet (Cadet), and I am applying for Pilot(RAAF) as well. I haven't made the selectino for Pilot Testing yet, due to poor Mathematics marks...
I would like to know more about the Pilot Specialist Testing, please. As I am sure that will be happening in a short while.
Cheers and thank yous. And congratulations to those who made it to where they are.
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Hey fellas,
I'm off to Tamworth for the Flight Screening Process in the coming weeks and was just wondering about the Dress Standard. I've recieved the emails regarding minimum of Long Sleeve and Tie at all times and this is not a problem, the question I have is regarding what we fly in? Do they provide you with some form of flight suit or do we bring our own comfortable clothes? If someone could help me out that would be much appreciated before I go out and buy some more clothes,
Thanks in advance
Luke
I'm off to Tamworth for the Flight Screening Process in the coming weeks and was just wondering about the Dress Standard. I've recieved the emails regarding minimum of Long Sleeve and Tie at all times and this is not a problem, the question I have is regarding what we fly in? Do they provide you with some form of flight suit or do we bring our own comfortable clothes? If someone could help me out that would be much appreciated before I go out and buy some more clothes,
Thanks in advance
Luke
Orange flying suits are issued, just make sure you bring some runners - it can be a bit tough to feel the rudder pedals in dress shoes
If you are going to reply you might as well tell him the answer
If you are going to reply you might as well tell him the answer
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Hey CDT. D.Brumby,
Im an Airforce Cadet aswell, and I just went for my specialist testing last week. In the speciliast testing ou have got some instrument comprehension stuff, some stuff where you need to visualise an aircrafts orientation and then what it looks like after like a 45 degree turn and stuff like that.
There is some mental maths that you wont get a chance to even use your pencil and paper. Alot of .0045 x .78 kinda stuff. Pretty much a guessing game, alot of estimating in that section aswell.
Then there is the maths part where you WILL need to use pencil and paper. My best advice for that part is look at this link.
RNZAF - Step Up Aircrew and Officers
Learn how to do all of the Maths Reasoning type questions and you should be fine. Our test is pretty much exactly the same as the RNZAF one in that respect.
After that part, you play with the joysticks and do the tests that involve keeping like a cross on a bigger cross. They will change the controls on you and stuff like that. Its all hand eye cordination stuff, and theres not much you can do to prepare.
After that you will be told pass/fail, and then go home. Also, its normal not to finish the tests. I didnt, and I passed. Its also fairly normal to think you bombed out, because everyone thought that at my spec testing day, and we all passed.
I hope my information helped, because there isnt alot of info out there on the spec testing itself.
Im an Airforce Cadet aswell, and I just went for my specialist testing last week. In the speciliast testing ou have got some instrument comprehension stuff, some stuff where you need to visualise an aircrafts orientation and then what it looks like after like a 45 degree turn and stuff like that.
There is some mental maths that you wont get a chance to even use your pencil and paper. Alot of .0045 x .78 kinda stuff. Pretty much a guessing game, alot of estimating in that section aswell.
Then there is the maths part where you WILL need to use pencil and paper. My best advice for that part is look at this link.
RNZAF - Step Up Aircrew and Officers
Learn how to do all of the Maths Reasoning type questions and you should be fine. Our test is pretty much exactly the same as the RNZAF one in that respect.
After that part, you play with the joysticks and do the tests that involve keeping like a cross on a bigger cross. They will change the controls on you and stuff like that. Its all hand eye cordination stuff, and theres not much you can do to prepare.
After that you will be told pass/fail, and then go home. Also, its normal not to finish the tests. I didnt, and I passed. Its also fairly normal to think you bombed out, because everyone thought that at my spec testing day, and we all passed.
I hope my information helped, because there isnt alot of info out there on the spec testing itself.
Yep , you are sooo right. I should have told him the answer and I guess I will do his OSB for him and also his flight screening. Effort in equals effort out. If you need help ask but if you cannot be bothered to apply a bit of effort and are just looking for shortcuts, might I suggest a different career option.