Sixth C-17 arrives.
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Greetings K1 !!! Hope you are ok.
I think I get where you are coming from........85% there I think......not enough time analysing the movements of my betters ( not in a toilet context you understand ) to make it to 100%
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I think I get where you are coming from........85% there I think......not enough time analysing the movements of my betters ( not in a toilet context you understand ) to make it to 100%
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Collected from the Boeing Factory in Longbeach, California on 11 June 2008, the aircraft has since been used for essential front-line crew training.
Not that I begrudge the C17 crew by the way, they don't often see much more than HERRICK and TELIC.
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I'm just totally disappointed they don't carry a Flight Engineer, which is much more efficient than carrying ground maintenance engineers, always has been!
Sometimes I just wonder!!!
Cheers...FD...
Sometimes I just wonder!!!
Cheers...FD...
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The purchase of the C17 by the RAF RAAF and RCAF, has to be one of the smartest moves made sine the purchase of the C130.
THe introduction into service likewise.
A good job all around
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Col
THe introduction into service likewise.
A good job all around
Regards
Col
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FD,
I have some symapthy with yr comment re efficiencies of FEs vs GEs. However, there are clear reasons why GEs are more common in aviation these days. It is the civvy world that mostly drives AT ac design and the level of in-flight automation now mostly absolves the need for FEs aboard modern mil ac like the C17/J Herc.
In the civvy world, many if not most, airlines contract out the engineering element for when things go 'ping' down-route. In these airlines, the route structure is well known and contracts can be let to cover most eventualities and so ground-based engineering bods are, in theory, cheaper.
However, in the military, there is little chance of contracting out the ground engineering as few other countries operate the C17/Tri*/VC10/J and, where we go sometimes, one has to fix the ac in 'austere' circumstances!
Therefore, it makes sense to carry GEs and, on occasion SVCs. Either way, there is at least one extra pair of eyes and ears aboard - which always comes in useful when things get a bit 'hairy' - especially 'in theatre' or even down the strip at Limassol!
I am glad and proud to have served with both species of 'spanner monkeys' who, on more than occasion, have dug myself and my crew out of a hole. Great people, one and all.....even Lima Echo!
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I have some symapthy with yr comment re efficiencies of FEs vs GEs. However, there are clear reasons why GEs are more common in aviation these days. It is the civvy world that mostly drives AT ac design and the level of in-flight automation now mostly absolves the need for FEs aboard modern mil ac like the C17/J Herc.
In the civvy world, many if not most, airlines contract out the engineering element for when things go 'ping' down-route. In these airlines, the route structure is well known and contracts can be let to cover most eventualities and so ground-based engineering bods are, in theory, cheaper.
However, in the military, there is little chance of contracting out the ground engineering as few other countries operate the C17/Tri*/VC10/J and, where we go sometimes, one has to fix the ac in 'austere' circumstances!
Therefore, it makes sense to carry GEs and, on occasion SVCs. Either way, there is at least one extra pair of eyes and ears aboard - which always comes in useful when things get a bit 'hairy' - especially 'in theatre' or even down the strip at Limassol!
I am glad and proud to have served with both species of 'spanner monkeys' who, on more than occasion, have dug myself and my crew out of a hole. Great people, one and all.....even Lima Echo!
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I'm just totally disappointed they don't carry a Flight Engineer
It has been known
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It's a modern aircraft and therefore does not need a Flight Engineer. Any engineering is carried out on the ground hence they carry a Ground Engineer.
K1rb5
You are obviously more gifted with foresight than Flight Detent as you are now an ALM so stop looking back young man and relish the future..............
I'm just totally disappointed they don't carry a Flight Engineer
It has been known
"It's a modern aircraft and therefore does not need a Flight Engineer. Any engineering is carried out on the ground hence they carry a Ground Engineer.
K1rb5
You are obviously more gifted with foresight than Flight Detent as you are now an ALM so stop looking back young man and relish the future..............
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It's a modern aircraft and therefore does not need a Flight Engineer. Any engineering is carried out on the ground hence they carry a Ground Engineer.
Couldn't resist dangling the hook in the water though. FD may well know another FE who now operates as an ALM. Say hello to M & K from me if you do please.
Bit of thread creep here. Soz
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Why they wearing US style growbags then? Do they come with the aeroplane if you buy one?
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They do have a bit of extra room for the 'fuller' figure which helps me out obviously.
However, in their defence, all our 'girlies' would look good in any type of flying suit. Not a single 'pillow smuggler' amongst them.
I think it's part of the selection process.
However, in their defence, all our 'girlies' would look good in any type of flying suit. Not a single 'pillow smuggler' amongst them.
I think it's part of the selection process.