Low level fast jets over Silverstone 25/6
Question.
Why do they restrict the low flying areas?
Surely all you're doing is ensuring you concentrate activity over a small number of people, thus pissing them off. It happens once, you glance upward, shrug, and go back to what you were doing. Thrice daily, I can imagine it could begin to irritate, if you have animals, small kids, a night shift, whatever.
I'm working on the assumption that there needs to be some hills and holes to go whizzing through to make it a worthwhile exercise, and you'd rather do it away from populated areas in case someone makes a mistake, which in combination is rare terrain in the UK - is that all it is?
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Why do they restrict the low flying areas?
Surely all you're doing is ensuring you concentrate activity over a small number of people, thus pissing them off. It happens once, you glance upward, shrug, and go back to what you were doing. Thrice daily, I can imagine it could begin to irritate, if you have animals, small kids, a night shift, whatever.
I'm working on the assumption that there needs to be some hills and holes to go whizzing through to make it a worthwhile exercise, and you'd rather do it away from populated areas in case someone makes a mistake, which in combination is rare terrain in the UK - is that all it is?
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Op_Twenty "Flying below 250 ft is incredibly demanding and can be sustained for only short periods of time - areas are allocated for this purpose (Operational Low Flying areas). I've never known of a pilot to fly around continuosly at less than 250 ft without authorisation, he knows the boss would tear him apart for it and that he is also likely to be killed."
Op Twenty, I suggest that area is not Silverstone! I suggest that you do not imply that; however, I am well qualified to suggest that the margins were well pushed.
The chaps in question presumably have completed the FLAC, where future DAs are made well aware that many people have cameras. On a Silverstone testing day, there are more cameras and TV crews than people. I can say that the boys put on a good show today... but I wouldn't risk my Cat (his QFI tick) on a flypast (authorised/unauthorised) that was visually judged (no radalt in a hawk) through an impaired one-eye!
He put on a good show, that was well received in my circle, above the F1 noise of the pit. But twice at 0930 and then again after a trip to the circuit, a flypast of the pits in the early afternoon... that is asking for it!
I wish the boys well, but there are chaps putting themselves on the line in AFG and other places daily, whilst FJ trg boys turn the RAF into a circus! All I ask is that guys should push themselves and their limits, but not for a cheap thrill at the expense of the reputation of the RAF. People are working too hard, for that to be damaged by people hiding in PTC (or what was). Even if it is for a couple of chaps to get an hours fame in the hospitality tent
! That's a cheap gain for 2 guys, lets think bigger picture...
Op Twenty, I suggest that area is not Silverstone! I suggest that you do not imply that; however, I am well qualified to suggest that the margins were well pushed.
The chaps in question presumably have completed the FLAC, where future DAs are made well aware that many people have cameras. On a Silverstone testing day, there are more cameras and TV crews than people. I can say that the boys put on a good show today... but I wouldn't risk my Cat (his QFI tick) on a flypast (authorised/unauthorised) that was visually judged (no radalt in a hawk) through an impaired one-eye!
He put on a good show, that was well received in my circle, above the F1 noise of the pit. But twice at 0930 and then again after a trip to the circuit, a flypast of the pits in the early afternoon... that is asking for it!
I wish the boys well, but there are chaps putting themselves on the line in AFG and other places daily, whilst FJ trg boys turn the RAF into a circus! All I ask is that guys should push themselves and their limits, but not for a cheap thrill at the expense of the reputation of the RAF. People are working too hard, for that to be damaged by people hiding in PTC (or what was). Even if it is for a couple of chaps to get an hours fame in the hospitality tent
! That's a cheap gain for 2 guys, lets think bigger picture...
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Max stout
you said that a
"conflict of interest has arisen between military aviation and the general public".
well given that one funds the other - who do you think is going to win long term if they each piss each other off ?
Op_Twenty
You made an offer to Phil_R - is that an open offer?
And the sheep lying on its back with legs wide?
That is taken from the side of a welsh valley. The sheep was not startled by hawks out of Valley, but its welsh boyfriend (who was there just a moment ago) took fright to an overflight - or was it a flypast - or hawks and legged it.
you said that a
"conflict of interest has arisen between military aviation and the general public".
well given that one funds the other - who do you think is going to win long term if they each piss each other off ?
Op_Twenty
You made an offer to Phil_R - is that an open offer?
And the sheep lying on its back with legs wide?
That is taken from the side of a welsh valley. The sheep was not startled by hawks out of Valley, but its welsh boyfriend (who was there just a moment ago) took fright to an overflight - or was it a flypast - or hawks and legged it.
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A chum of mine is a motorsports enthusiast and was at Silverstone yesterday. The first thing he asked me when he came in this morning was 'Did the Pilots talk about the Hawk at Silverstone yesterday?'
Well you did!
His take on the whole matter was that it was great and that folk who watch Grand Prix races are not averse to whooping at the odd low-flying jet.
He says the crowd loved it.
The Tannoy explanation seems perfectly feasible to me. I would imagine that the stands etc could create the odd bit of updraft occasionally so why not toddle along to check things out?
PS - AIDU - belter of a pic mate!
Well you did!
His take on the whole matter was that it was great and that folk who watch Grand Prix races are not averse to whooping at the odd low-flying jet.
He says the crowd loved it.
The Tannoy explanation seems perfectly feasible to me. I would imagine that the stands etc could create the odd bit of updraft occasionally so why not toddle along to check things out?
PS - AIDU - belter of a pic mate!
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The commentary said it was a recce for the Reds appearance at the GP, and two RAF flightcrew in green Hawk-patched flightsuits were spotted in the crowd later in the morning, presumably the two from the jet!
More likely to be a regular training sortie & suprised if the pilots in question would land & get themselves down to Silverstone in time. Could have just been a coincidence.
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I wish the boys well, but there are chaps putting themselves on the line in AFG and other places daily, whilst FJ trg boys turn the RAF into a circus! All I ask is that guys should push themselves and their limits, but not for a cheap thrill at the expense of the reputation of the RAF. People are working too hard, for that to be damaged by people hiding in PTC (or what was). Even if it is for a couple of chaps to get an hours fame in the hospitality tent
! That's a cheap gain for 2 guys, lets think bigger picture...
! That's a cheap gain for 2 guys, lets think bigger picture...
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Ah yes, the old sheep's legs altimeter myth.
As my instructor once said to me: "See those sheep - show me their legs, get down there!"
So I got down there....
Suddenly, he yelled "Oh Cripes, pull up, pull up! They're not sheep, they're mushrooms!"
As my instructor once said to me: "See those sheep - show me their legs, get down there!"
So I got down there....
Suddenly, he yelled "Oh Cripes, pull up, pull up! They're not sheep, they're mushrooms!"
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Myth
I'm not sure where some of you (who appear to be in the RAF) get off insinuating that the a/c over Silverstone was either too low or flown by a couple of clowns, but let me assure you that the a/c was flown on a regular trg sortie, adhered to all rules and regulations, and was piloted by two consumate professionals.
Gossiping about what happened when you don't have first hand knowledge of what went on is unprofessional, and could prove to damage others careers....don't you know better?
I suggest you stop insinuating facts into something you know nothing about.......
Gossiping about what happened when you don't have first hand knowledge of what went on is unprofessional, and could prove to damage others careers....don't you know better?
I suggest you stop insinuating facts into something you know nothing about.......
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Gossiping about what happened when you don't have first hand knowledge of what went on is unprofessional
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May I speculate that the large hazardous objects in the sky above Silverstone that present such danger to the RAF are no more than the over-developed egos of the toy-tech motor racing people at ground level?
If only the public knew when anyone in a fast-mover did something that scared the driver as dangerous... but no, perhaps better not. And how the hell would the public ever know by observing from the outside?
Please file under "circular".
ps. The sheep's leg "myth" is no myth. I was taught by the RN to judge low-flying height by cow's legs visible at 500', sheep's legs visible at 250'. It works.
If only the public knew when anyone in a fast-mover did something that scared the driver as dangerous... but no, perhaps better not. And how the hell would the public ever know by observing from the outside?
Please file under "circular".
ps. The sheep's leg "myth" is no myth. I was taught by the RN to judge low-flying height by cow's legs visible at 500', sheep's legs visible at 250'. It works.
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I was flying over Silverstone the other day and was horrified to see cars being driven at ridiculously dangerous speeds, well in excess of the national speed limit and only a matter of feet away from crowds of people!
Literally only a few feet away! How irresponsible! Who do these people think they are?
They were hurtling into bends, with the public standing only a few feet away and they didn’t even have any tread on their tyres! My god, what are they playing at?!!
I have seen so much TV coverage in the past and the majority of it shows these cars crashing all the time. Some regularly launching wheels and other heavy body/engine/gearbox parts into the crowds!
Don’t the organisers of such activities know how dangerous that is?
I have a mind to write to someone and let them know how I feel!
Sheer stupidity!! Completely irresponsible if you ask me!
Oh, they were practising for some future event were they? And it was to increase the margins of safety was it? To make them aware of what to expect when they are hurtling round at high speeds in those conditions was it?
I see....
Sounds rather familiar doesn’t it!!
Literally only a few feet away! How irresponsible! Who do these people think they are?
They were hurtling into bends, with the public standing only a few feet away and they didn’t even have any tread on their tyres! My god, what are they playing at?!!
I have seen so much TV coverage in the past and the majority of it shows these cars crashing all the time. Some regularly launching wheels and other heavy body/engine/gearbox parts into the crowds!
Don’t the organisers of such activities know how dangerous that is?
I have a mind to write to someone and let them know how I feel!
Sheer stupidity!! Completely irresponsible if you ask me!
Oh, they were practising for some future event were they? And it was to increase the margins of safety was it? To make them aware of what to expect when they are hurtling round at high speeds in those conditions was it?
I see....
Sounds rather familiar doesn’t it!!
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The British GP @ that place that first held it 60 years ago! - E-Goat :: The Totally Unofficial Royal Air Force Rumour Network forums
Better low flying action found here.
Who cares about couple of jets on a transit??
Better low flying action found here.
Who cares about couple of jets on a transit??
