Uk Military Definition Of Aircrew
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Worcestershire
Posts: 305
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Uk Military Definition Of Aircrew
Ladies,Gents,
Where can I find the UK military definition of aircrew.
I am interested in the status of the chaps who 'Fly'/ operate our UAVs etc.
Where can I find the UK military definition of aircrew.
I am interested in the status of the chaps who 'Fly'/ operate our UAVs etc.
Join Date: Dec 2000
Posts: 659
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
As I recall it from my (extremely rare) forays into 553 the MOD can have whoever it likes flying any of its aircraft/UAVs so long as they are approriately trained and authorised. Same applies to the guy who is the Aircraft Commander who need not be a/the pilot.
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: St Annes
Age: 68
Posts: 638
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Regarding aircraft captains -
There was an entry in a line book, 120 Sqn's I think, about an army officer (Major?) from an armoured outfit whose comment on pilot captains ran along the lines of:
'Christ! I wouldn't let one of my drivers command a tank.'
(Apologies to all my past pilot captains <g>)
There was an entry in a line book, 120 Sqn's I think, about an army officer (Major?) from an armoured outfit whose comment on pilot captains ran along the lines of:
'Christ! I wouldn't let one of my drivers command a tank.'
(Apologies to all my past pilot captains <g>)
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: In Hyperspace...
Posts: 395
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
All RAF UAVs (well, our ONLY UAV for now!) are operated by fully qualified, trained and experienced aircrew.
Phoney Tony, why did you put 'fly' in quotations? Reaper is flown and operated in exactly the same way as any other manned CAS / ISR type...it's just that the control runs are a little longer...
Phoney Tony, why did you put 'fly' in quotations? Reaper is flown and operated in exactly the same way as any other manned CAS / ISR type...it's just that the control runs are a little longer...
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Worcestershire
Posts: 305
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Not really bothered about the who does what and how debate....I am just after a formal definition of 'aircrew' from an authoritative source, if there is one. If not there should be.
Red On, Green On
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Between the woods and the water
Age: 24
Posts: 6,487
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes
on
2 Posts
I am just after a formal definition of 'aircrew' from an authoritative source, if there is one. If not there should be
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: UK
Posts: 108
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Did some extensive digging around and came up with one for you.
aircrew 1. n. aircraft's company. 2. n. gang. 3. n. The term everyone in the military aspires to be referred!
Hope that helps
aircrew 1. n. aircraft's company. 2. n. gang. 3. n. The term everyone in the military aspires to be referred!
Hope that helps
Join Date: Dec 2000
Posts: 659
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
You come across as a tad touchy if I may say so Tony.
Point I was making (obviously badly) is that technically anybody can fly a MOD aircraft/UAV if approriately trained and auth'ed. You do not need to be called "aircrew", although most of the military terms such guys who do it professionally as such. If its UAVs that bug you pop out East, several non "aircrew" Army types flying systems quite successfully there from what i've seen. And yes - I have and i'm not Army either.
So come on - as AA asked, why is it important? And why should there be a definition?
Point I was making (obviously badly) is that technically anybody can fly a MOD aircraft/UAV if approriately trained and auth'ed. You do not need to be called "aircrew", although most of the military terms such guys who do it professionally as such. If its UAVs that bug you pop out East, several non "aircrew" Army types flying systems quite successfully there from what i've seen. And yes - I have and i'm not Army either.
So come on - as AA asked, why is it important? And why should there be a definition?
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Worcestershire
Posts: 305
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Sorry if my response appeared touchy.
I would be amazed if there is not a definition somewhere. There must be a measure against which the bean counters can make an assessment. As has been pointed out anyone authorized and trained can operate MoD systems but at what point does the operator become aircrew and as such attract the addition pay, attention from the medics etc.
I am only interested in terms of bottoming out the issue. Someone must have made a decision for the E3 fleet (FC and AT chaps). Again not interested in the arguments .....merely looking for the facts!
I would be amazed if there is not a definition somewhere. There must be a measure against which the bean counters can make an assessment. As has been pointed out anyone authorized and trained can operate MoD systems but at what point does the operator become aircrew and as such attract the addition pay, attention from the medics etc.
I am only interested in terms of bottoming out the issue. Someone must have made a decision for the E3 fleet (FC and AT chaps). Again not interested in the arguments .....merely looking for the facts!
Well, before the PFI Skynet 5 contract, the guys who flew the most expensive aerospace vehicles in the UK inventory were Engineers. Spacecraft Operations Officers at Oakhanger.
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: The Meadows
Posts: 58
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
....and as such attract the addition pay, attention from the medics etc.
I have an image that may add to the definition of aircrew but so far using Photobucket I have only been able to post the underlined link in my reply rather than the image itself. Can anyone educate me as to how to fix this?
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: LIVERPOOL
Posts: 401
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Maybe Rubbish.
Think when you have underlined link on screen, click preview at bottom. It is to the right of submit reply. You should see your piccy as it will appear on your thread.
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Jersey
Age: 40
Posts: 77
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Hope this helps
This is part of an article posted in the News section on the RAF website specific to the Reaper UAV:
The Reaper aircraft are based in Afghanistan but are remotely controlled by satellite link from the USA. The Officer Commanding 39Sqn, Wg Cdr Andy Jeffrey, described his Squadron’s role: “Our mission is to provide persistent ISTAR, and where required offensive support to UK and Coalition forces involved in Operations.” He added more succinctly: “We are here to make a difference and save lives.”
Although it’s an RAF Squadron, 39Sqn is comprised of personnel from all three UK services; RAF, Royal Navy and the Army. The mix of different service personnel is seen by Wg Cdr Jeffrey as very much a key asset: ”To have an army soldier or Royal Marine who’s had ‘boots on the ground’ in Afghanistan [as part of the Squadron] is absolutely fantastic”.
During a mission the Reaper is controlled by a pilot and a sensor-operator both of whom are experienced aircrew. In addition, a mission coordinator present in the ground station alongside the aircrew is often an experienced soldier or Royal Marine.
Although operating from a purpose built ground station thousands of miles from where the Reaper is actually operating, Wg Cdr Jeffrey was keen to acknowledge the close bond between his Reaper crews and the troops on the ground on operations: “You are in that fight, you are listening to the guy on the ground, on that radio, and who’s taking incoming fire.” He added, “It comes back to people, of saving lives and making a difference, and we are doing that.”
Full article: http://www.raf.mod.uk/news/archive.c...885837D31A0610
I believe Reaper pilots are experienced aircrew, as a colleague of mine has a cousin who is a Hercules pilot who is currently based in Nevada operating Reaper.
The Reaper aircraft are based in Afghanistan but are remotely controlled by satellite link from the USA. The Officer Commanding 39Sqn, Wg Cdr Andy Jeffrey, described his Squadron’s role: “Our mission is to provide persistent ISTAR, and where required offensive support to UK and Coalition forces involved in Operations.” He added more succinctly: “We are here to make a difference and save lives.”
Although it’s an RAF Squadron, 39Sqn is comprised of personnel from all three UK services; RAF, Royal Navy and the Army. The mix of different service personnel is seen by Wg Cdr Jeffrey as very much a key asset: ”To have an army soldier or Royal Marine who’s had ‘boots on the ground’ in Afghanistan [as part of the Squadron] is absolutely fantastic”.
During a mission the Reaper is controlled by a pilot and a sensor-operator both of whom are experienced aircrew. In addition, a mission coordinator present in the ground station alongside the aircrew is often an experienced soldier or Royal Marine.
Although operating from a purpose built ground station thousands of miles from where the Reaper is actually operating, Wg Cdr Jeffrey was keen to acknowledge the close bond between his Reaper crews and the troops on the ground on operations: “You are in that fight, you are listening to the guy on the ground, on that radio, and who’s taking incoming fire.” He added, “It comes back to people, of saving lives and making a difference, and we are doing that.”
Full article: http://www.raf.mod.uk/news/archive.c...885837D31A0610
I believe Reaper pilots are experienced aircrew, as a colleague of mine has a cousin who is a Hercules pilot who is currently based in Nevada operating Reaper.
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Englandshire
Posts: 145
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
"It's probably the same as the RAAF...they are regarded as General Duties officers...that fly airplanes!"
Not all aircrew are officer types, don't forget we have the Non-Commissioned Aircrew that fly in just about anything the RAF has that isn't fast and pointy, and there are even some who fly as pilots assistants on Dominie.
Not all aircrew are officer types, don't forget we have the Non-Commissioned Aircrew that fly in just about anything the RAF has that isn't fast and pointy, and there are even some who fly as pilots assistants on Dominie.
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: In a van
Posts: 4
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Where can I find the UK military definition of aircrew.
I am interested in the status of the chaps who 'Fly'/ operate our UAVs etc.
I am interested in the status of the chaps who 'Fly'/ operate our UAVs etc.
There again so do stewards/movers/aeromeds and I have even seen a portly copper in a grow bag!