We can do FI, Afghanistan and Iraq - 11sqn
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Typhooey - mild mannered janitor?
Ok, for what little it's worth.........
Really pleased for the RAF that they managed to get Typhoon into service avoiding all the 'Savings in Efficiency' that this government just loves ("A pound spent on Defence is a pound wasted" to quote Gordon Brown) and it is, undoubtedly a fantastic aeroplane with a significant AD capability. The fact that it doesn't have the legs or the Multi-role potential of a Strike Eagle is because it was designed to defend the UK ADR - not the Air Force's fault, but good on them for trying to make it MR and, therefore, more use than tits on a fish.
What annoys people (Army, RN, RAF (non-AD FJ and everyone else)) is the ridiculous attitude of some of the people associated with this aircraft. It appears to be a hangover from the Lightning/Phantom/F3 "We're Air Defenders don't you know" and the assumption that because you are not flying AD FJ that you must be pond-life. Can't say I've experienced it yet personally from the F2 crowd but had enough from the F3 fleet. A pyschologist will probably tell me that it is a throwback to infancy - like the two-year old with a new toy that won't share but likes to shove it in your face.
When the F2 gets its undercarriage dirty/sandy and starts to support the significant numbers of UK military personnel risking life and limb in the service of HMG (like the GR community (Fly Navy) or the SH community (oh, Fly Navy again) then, by all means, cock-on. Until then, please, stop making yourself look silly and grow up.
Really pleased for the RAF that they managed to get Typhoon into service avoiding all the 'Savings in Efficiency' that this government just loves ("A pound spent on Defence is a pound wasted" to quote Gordon Brown) and it is, undoubtedly a fantastic aeroplane with a significant AD capability. The fact that it doesn't have the legs or the Multi-role potential of a Strike Eagle is because it was designed to defend the UK ADR - not the Air Force's fault, but good on them for trying to make it MR and, therefore, more use than tits on a fish.
What annoys people (Army, RN, RAF (non-AD FJ and everyone else)) is the ridiculous attitude of some of the people associated with this aircraft. It appears to be a hangover from the Lightning/Phantom/F3 "We're Air Defenders don't you know" and the assumption that because you are not flying AD FJ that you must be pond-life. Can't say I've experienced it yet personally from the F2 crowd but had enough from the F3 fleet. A pyschologist will probably tell me that it is a throwback to infancy - like the two-year old with a new toy that won't share but likes to shove it in your face.
When the F2 gets its undercarriage dirty/sandy and starts to support the significant numbers of UK military personnel risking life and limb in the service of HMG (like the GR community (Fly Navy) or the SH community (oh, Fly Navy again) then, by all means, cock-on. Until then, please, stop making yourself look silly and grow up.
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I tried jumping out of a filing cabinet once (in an imitation of the great man/dog) but caught my wedding tackle on the drawer handle.......
Didn't have quite the same effect on the crowd as I'd hoped.
Didn't have quite the same effect on the crowd as I'd hoped.
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Depends what you mean by deployed, its already has been deployed for QRA, if you mean deployed on combat operations by the RAF in a foreign country for a long tour of duty and has actually engaged the 'enemy', then it hasn't done that yet.
The real question is would flying a pair over to sandy places and dropping a couple of bombs, satisfy everyone, or does it need something a bit more substantial?.
Cheers
The real question is would flying a pair over to sandy places and dropping a couple of bombs, satisfy everyone, or does it need something a bit more substantial?.
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Word on the street is that the puffer jet will be in Afghanistan for at least another year, and will be replaced by the Tonka as they are pulled from Iraq. Taking an AD squadron of Typhoon and turning them into mud-movers will take time
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Ha. Ha. From my operational experience, there are a lot of problems with this mindless nipple tooting.
>>"It has been an outstanding success. The aircraft loved the hot and dry conditions. It achieved a 99.3 per cent strike rate at Davis Monthan, which means we achieved 99.3 per cent serviceability. We only lost two sorties, one due to high wind (which apparently can't be stopped by any Ginger no matter how much I stamped my feet) when no-one flew, and the other to a technical failure - again, unprecedented in my knowledge and experience (normally I will fly anything and have instructed my drones to do the same. Push Push Push...... I want to play Station Commander soon)."
Hot and dry are the *best* conditions for the EF, it's no wonder that it has high availability rate. But was the exercise carried out in wartime conditions (limited crew etc) or was it merely a validation exercise of weapons? Why should anyone boast about availability rates during weapns validation? Was there OPFOR?
Outrageous statement decanting all good sense from the second best air force in the world.
>>"It has been an outstanding success. The aircraft loved the hot and dry conditions. It achieved a 99.3 per cent strike rate at Davis Monthan, which means we achieved 99.3 per cent serviceability. We only lost two sorties, one due to high wind (which apparently can't be stopped by any Ginger no matter how much I stamped my feet) when no-one flew, and the other to a technical failure - again, unprecedented in my knowledge and experience (normally I will fly anything and have instructed my drones to do the same. Push Push Push...... I want to play Station Commander soon)."
Hot and dry are the *best* conditions for the EF, it's no wonder that it has high availability rate. But was the exercise carried out in wartime conditions (limited crew etc) or was it merely a validation exercise of weapons? Why should anyone boast about availability rates during weapns validation? Was there OPFOR?
Outrageous statement decanting all good sense from the second best air force in the world.
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Whenever i read something by Jackonicko, I give a hollow laugh and then beat my Black Labrador senseless. This is the same man, often kicked to the curb on Airliners.net and other respected forums, who continues to waffle and prefabricate facts here.
Journalism integrity is dead, all hail the opposite of Jackonicko.
Everyone knows the EF is hideously overcost, over 100 million pounds each, is kept on life support as far as development is concerned, and so late that it missed the next year's prom as well.
When will we see EF over Iraq for example? When I lead a spearhead of F-15s in, bomb the **** out of the camel muckers and liberate the country! Then perhaps those sunburned types will buy the EF (can't sell them stealth, old chap).
Journalism integrity is dead, all hail the opposite of Jackonicko.
Everyone knows the EF is hideously overcost, over 100 million pounds each, is kept on life support as far as development is concerned, and so late that it missed the next year's prom as well.
When will we see EF over Iraq for example? When I lead a spearhead of F-15s in, bomb the **** out of the camel muckers and liberate the country! Then perhaps those sunburned types will buy the EF (can't sell them stealth, old chap).