Yanks in the Falklands War?
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Thanks for the info regarding the air-drops Ray.
The info I found on lynehamvillage.com was interesting, especially the bits about air-to-air refuelling C-130s from Victors which had to be done in a shallow dive because of incompatable air speeds. I had a suspicion that these missions were similar to Black Buck from an AAR perspective but hadn't seen them mentioned before. A 25 hour non-stop trip in a Herc must have been quite an endeavour. Respect to all the Herc and Victor crews.
The info I found on lynehamvillage.com was interesting, especially the bits about air-to-air refuelling C-130s from Victors which had to be done in a shallow dive because of incompatable air speeds. I had a suspicion that these missions were similar to Black Buck from an AAR perspective but hadn't seen them mentioned before. A 25 hour non-stop trip in a Herc must have been quite an endeavour. Respect to all the Herc and Victor crews.
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one of these c-130 flights from ascension is described by lieutenant colonel david chaundler who was the replacement C/O of 2 para following the death of H.
chaundler parachuted from the herc to collected from the water.
forgotten voice of the falklands - hugh mcmanners describes the campaign
chaundler parachuted from the herc to collected from the water.
forgotten voice of the falklands - hugh mcmanners describes the campaign
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
After the war the C-130s would refuel then continue south to the point of no return (PONR) and get a go/no go weather call from Stanley based on the weather. If it was dodgy they turned back, landed, refuelled and tried again later.
I felt sorry for one CSE show travelling by C-130 who flew south, turned back at the PONR, were off-loaded at ASI into another C-130 ready and waiting for them and set off again.
IIRC by the time they landed they'd spent about 26-30 hours airborne with about a 15 minute gap in the middle. And their first show was the same evening they arrived.
I felt sorry for one CSE show travelling by C-130 who flew south, turned back at the PONR, were off-loaded at ASI into another C-130 ready and waiting for them and set off again.
IIRC by the time they landed they'd spent about 26-30 hours airborne with about a 15 minute gap in the middle. And their first show was the same evening they arrived.
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I think that comment (USAAF) went above a few heads..nevertheless many of us are still grateful for the Mighty 8th and the like, be they USAAF or USAF.
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I think that comment (USAAF) went above a few heads..nevertheless many of us are still grateful for the Mighty 8th and the like, be they USAAF or USAF.
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Falklands Movie
Maj Nutter USMC (Gibson) is an exchange officer who finds himself en route to the Falklands with the Task Force. He falls foul of his CO, Lt Col Plinkington-Flyppe of 99 Para, who is only the CO because he is the second cousin of Prince Charles and a raving homosexual (like all British officers).
Couldn't he be accused of partly plagiarising 'Tumbledown', the BBC Falklands dramatisation?
Couldn't he be accused of partly plagiarising 'Tumbledown', the BBC Falklands dramatisation?
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...he fired 2 or 3 rounds into the prostrate enemy to break away. Now you all know the power of an SLR. This guy took 3 rounds in the head at less that 4 feet and SURVIVED.
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Couldn't he be accused of partly plagiarising 'Tumbledown', the BBC Falklands dramatisation?
USAAF - Hmm, yes, an extra vowel crept in there!
Floating things - seconding what's gone before (thirding?) ... mail drops, SAR gear drops, personnel drops from RAF aircraft have all been carried out for yonks.
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..starring Tom Cruise in a snappy, well-cut uniform and an eye patch.
Oh, silly me. Wrong war.
Oh, silly me. Wrong war.
How the h@ll did Republican and Imperial Rome acquire Eton accents?
Well, besides invading originally, of course..........
"Floating things - seconding what's gone before (thirding?) ... mail drops, SAR gear drops, personnel drops from RAF aircraft have all been carried out for yonks."
Including Richard Harris- Juggernaut( its a film, jumping out of a C130 into
the sea for IED'S on a liner) the C130 was in brown/black colour scheme- sorry I'll stop now.
Including Richard Harris- Juggernaut( its a film, jumping out of a C130 into
the sea for IED'S on a liner) the C130 was in brown/black colour scheme- sorry I'll stop now.
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Brick, I think it all stems from Shakespeare and his 'Julius Caesar'. Sorry if it offends you, but Russ Crowe or any of the old Brit Shakespearean actors rounding their vowels in a toga or a Roman soldier's short leather kilt somehow works for me where Victor Mature or Robert Young trying to look (and particularly sound) believable in a very short skirt just doesn't.
If they were upper class Romans, we not of the New World sort of assume they would have spoken with posh accents. And Roman enlisted men seem way more believable with a thick Brit regional accent than a Noo Joisey drawl.
At least for the rest of the world.
My point might be illustrated better by quoting something totally off the subject (and guaranteed to offend everybody):
If they were upper class Romans, we not of the New World sort of assume they would have spoken with posh accents. And Roman enlisted men seem way more believable with a thick Brit regional accent than a Noo Joisey drawl.
At least for the rest of the world.
My point might be illustrated better by quoting something totally off the subject (and guaranteed to offend everybody):
A world wide survey was conducted by the UN. The only question asked was:'Would you please give your honest opinion about solutions to the food shortage in the rest of the world?'
The survey was a huge failure.
In Africa they didn't know what 'food' meant,
In India they didn't know what 'honest' meant,
In Europe they didn't know what 'shortage' meant,
In China they didn't know what 'opinion' meant,
In the Middle East they didn't know what 'solution' meant,
In South America they didn't know what 'please' meant,
And in the USA they didn't know what 'the rest of the world' meant!
The survey was a huge failure.
In Africa they didn't know what 'food' meant,
In India they didn't know what 'honest' meant,
In Europe they didn't know what 'shortage' meant,
In China they didn't know what 'opinion' meant,
In the Middle East they didn't know what 'solution' meant,
In South America they didn't know what 'please' meant,
And in the USA they didn't know what 'the rest of the world' meant!
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every Roman epic ever made featuring British (almost always English) actors?
But the Brits got to be the bad guys in the Star Wars empire too, and at some time in the 1970's evil ceased to be voiced by a Germanic accent and became British.
Perhaps, more worryingly:
Wasn't it some Roman epic with John Wayne, who first read his lines as;
"Truly he musta been the sonofgod" (Read like 'sonofabitch')
To which the director said he needed to sound more in awe of the deceased JC. "More awe, please, Mr Wayne!"
"Awwwww, truly he musta been the sonofgod!"
Wasn't it some Roman epic with John Wayne, who first read his lines as;
"Truly he musta been the sonofgod" (Read like 'sonofabitch')
To which the director said he needed to sound more in awe of the deceased JC. "More awe, please, Mr Wayne!"
"Awwwww, truly he musta been the sonofgod!"
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I think that was Spartacus, if they remade it you'd probably hear mobile phones going off now.
There is supposed to be a VC10 in the background to a dogfight in the BoB but I've never seen it, unlike the up and over Westland's garage door and modern doorbell on the cottage.
What was that film where they kept getting annoyed by Lossie Jags so gave up in the end and included them in the film?
There is supposed to be a VC10 in the background to a dogfight in the BoB but I've never seen it, unlike the up and over Westland's garage door and modern doorbell on the cottage.
What was that film where they kept getting annoyed by Lossie Jags so gave up in the end and included them in the film?
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" The plan was failed by the French " - does that mean they were attempting it, or stopped it ?!
In fact, reading Jerry Pooks' excellent book ' RAF Harrier Ground Attack Falklands ' the French helped out a great deal with DACT involving Mirages & Super Etendards.
His book also backs up a great deal of what 'Sharkey' Ward mentioned, in that his team on Invicible were the only Seajet pilots fully trained up on the Blue Fox radar, and there was a serious lack of intelligence - in every sense - from Hermes - sorry if that doesn't suit some people, as it seems fashionable to knock Sharkey, but it all has a sadly 'ring true' factor to me...
There was also an active setup where the UK secret service ( not that one, the other one ) set up a 'sting' scheme to buy up any spare Exocets on the black market before the Argies got hold of them.
To be fair, I always thought whoever cobbled up that land-launched Exocet deserves a lot of recognition, hope he's in a well paid job ( preferably on our side ! ) now.
The AIM9L had just been trialled on the FRS1 at Aberporth by Dunsfold Test Pilot Taylor Scott, then Boscombe T.P. Jim Giles ( XZ440 ).
Taylor made great efforts to make sure the task force took AIM9L's, which were indeed supplied discreetly by the U.S; as I understand it we didn't have that many at the time.
Jerry Pook's book is an eye-opener, and sadly I can believe evey word - it also ties in with Sharkey Ward's account.
I rather doubt it has pride of place on Sandy Woodward's shelf !
Another book with some interesting little nuggets is ' The Secret War For The Falklands' by Nigel West.
" The plan was failed by the French " - does that mean they were attempting it, or stopped it ?!
In fact, reading Jerry Pooks' excellent book ' RAF Harrier Ground Attack Falklands ' the French helped out a great deal with DACT involving Mirages & Super Etendards.
His book also backs up a great deal of what 'Sharkey' Ward mentioned, in that his team on Invicible were the only Seajet pilots fully trained up on the Blue Fox radar, and there was a serious lack of intelligence - in every sense - from Hermes - sorry if that doesn't suit some people, as it seems fashionable to knock Sharkey, but it all has a sadly 'ring true' factor to me...
There was also an active setup where the UK secret service ( not that one, the other one ) set up a 'sting' scheme to buy up any spare Exocets on the black market before the Argies got hold of them.
To be fair, I always thought whoever cobbled up that land-launched Exocet deserves a lot of recognition, hope he's in a well paid job ( preferably on our side ! ) now.
The AIM9L had just been trialled on the FRS1 at Aberporth by Dunsfold Test Pilot Taylor Scott, then Boscombe T.P. Jim Giles ( XZ440 ).
Taylor made great efforts to make sure the task force took AIM9L's, which were indeed supplied discreetly by the U.S; as I understand it we didn't have that many at the time.
Jerry Pook's book is an eye-opener, and sadly I can believe evey word - it also ties in with Sharkey Ward's account.
I rather doubt it has pride of place on Sandy Woodward's shelf !
Another book with some interesting little nuggets is ' The Secret War For The Falklands' by Nigel West.
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And another thing...
I had the pleasure of working with Flight Test Engineer Mel Quick; he recounted how he & his colleague ( Don March ? - I remember Mel saying they had a sign on their door, " Quick - March " ! ) were working together at Boscombe during the Falklands.
During the 'conflict' they were doing stress calculations for the Vulcan to carry Shrikes - when they arrived at the result, Don grabbed the 'phone to wherever the Vulcan was, and yelled " Stop ! "
Apparently the supporting pins/whatever on the pylons wouldn't stand even taxying over a bump...
When they did get the thing sorted ( I've never heard of any successful Shrike attacks in the Falklands, any answers ? ) one sortie had the unfortunate experience of some sort of failure - tanking ? - and had to divert to the South American mainland - to add insult to injury they were unable to jettison the 'secret' Shrikes and were much photographed on landing !
During the 'conflict' they were doing stress calculations for the Vulcan to carry Shrikes - when they arrived at the result, Don grabbed the 'phone to wherever the Vulcan was, and yelled " Stop ! "
Apparently the supporting pins/whatever on the pylons wouldn't stand even taxying over a bump...
When they did get the thing sorted ( I've never heard of any successful Shrike attacks in the Falklands, any answers ? ) one sortie had the unfortunate experience of some sort of failure - tanking ? - and had to divert to the South American mainland - to add insult to injury they were unable to jettison the 'secret' Shrikes and were much photographed on landing !
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