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Both seem like good guys, IMHO, or were when they were lowly enough to talk to journo scum. Could they be the 'Mike Graydon' of their generation? Or the B-word?
Does that mean that it won't be Clive Loader? So you won't all be learning your Kamikaze drills, or train egress procedures..... Or David f***ing Walker?
But when you look at the 'good ones' who don't make it to CAS (Malcolm Pledger, Tim Jenner, John Allison) surely it's more likely to be one of the bad 'uns?
Surely Stu Peach is too old, and the intelligence job too much of a sideways move away from the coalface?
Does that mean that it won't be Clive Loader? So you won't all be learning your Kamikaze drills, or train egress procedures..... Or David f***ing Walker?
But when you look at the 'good ones' who don't make it to CAS (Malcolm Pledger, Tim Jenner, John Allison) surely it's more likely to be one of the bad 'uns?
Surely Stu Peach is too old, and the intelligence job too much of a sideways move away from the coalface?
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I just don't think that he came across very well in that interview. That's all.
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Stu Peach
Stu Peach is a navigator, but I'd vote for him any day. The important thing is that he'd be focussed on Task, Team AND Individual (leadership 1.0.1, as taught by an RAF College called Cranwell), rather than just on Task.
Beagle, because you have been out of the RAF for a thousand years and well out of touch with all things Air Force you wouldn't know that the jumper he was wearing is the new, latest issue
(Nothing like a bit of thread drift)
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Next CAS
(Ladies? and) gentlemen, The hornet's nest seems well and truly stirred! My last was not a reflection on the charm and personality of Sir Glenn Torpy. As to MOD having a say in CAS, believe me they do! Part-time Jock Browne would have to say yea. Names of likely candidates are screened for acceptability. As you may know, guys are "groomed" for CAS. I am sure David Walker (Harrier bloke not Queen's Mess Manager) has to be in the frame; 3* now and probably next or next but one for CAS.
He who mentioned Malcolm Pledger presumably never worked for him!!!! Good guys who never made it have GOT to include John Cheshire, possibly one of the brightest and most gracious 4* officers for years.
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He who mentioned Malcolm Pledger presumably never worked for him!!!! Good guys who never made it have GOT to include John Cheshire, possibly one of the brightest and most gracious 4* officers for years.
Pip pip ON
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NAROBS,
Totally agree. Mate of mine is back from Basra completely frazzled by the experience. Worn out after six months of 18 hour days, and didn't have the ability to shoot back, no tactical training, nothing. Nor did I when I went overseas years ago, and that would've been handy.
Before anyone has a go at the civil servants on operational support - be it in London or on the front line - try being one. Naff salary, long hours, forget about the good pension (that was closed a few years ago) and if it wasn't for the love of the job, I'm sure lots would've left by now. Political bellowing on one side, senior officers doing the same on the other. Sitting alongside staff officers who are on twice their salary and all of the benefits yet have seen less front line work than their grey suited colleagues.
Policy wonks, however, now that's a different matter...
Finally... Peach as CAS? Maybe. Supporting his staff? Nope. Not by the experiences of some of my friends currently working for him further down the chain. Invisible is more the word.
Totally agree. Mate of mine is back from Basra completely frazzled by the experience. Worn out after six months of 18 hour days, and didn't have the ability to shoot back, no tactical training, nothing. Nor did I when I went overseas years ago, and that would've been handy.
Before anyone has a go at the civil servants on operational support - be it in London or on the front line - try being one. Naff salary, long hours, forget about the good pension (that was closed a few years ago) and if it wasn't for the love of the job, I'm sure lots would've left by now. Political bellowing on one side, senior officers doing the same on the other. Sitting alongside staff officers who are on twice their salary and all of the benefits yet have seen less front line work than their grey suited colleagues.
Policy wonks, however, now that's a different matter...
Finally... Peach as CAS? Maybe. Supporting his staff? Nope. Not by the experiences of some of my friends currently working for him further down the chain. Invisible is more the word.
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Because the Military Dress Standards Regulation Committee for Contractors to 2010 and beyond, had a meeting - and the RN won - Round necks hide the chest wigs when you run ashore, so you don't upset the natives
Next on the agenda - Modify No1's, so when you walk about with your hands in your pockets, only your thumbs stick out
Because the Military Dress Standards Regulation Committee for Contractors to 2010 and beyond, had a meeting - and the RN won - Round necks hide the chest wigs when you run ashore, so you don't upset the natives
Next on the agenda - Modify No1's, so when you walk about with your hands in your pockets, only your thumbs stick out
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Plot finder, Bonny Lad
I'm not sure if you're still breast feeding or at school - but with 17 posts under your belt, you really need to pick on somebody of your own limited experience size, rather than Beagle
Pick on me if you like - I'm sure I'm familiar with things you could'nt even guess at - including English Grammar
I'm not sure if you're still breast feeding or at school - but with 17 posts under your belt, you really need to pick on somebody of your own limited experience size, rather than Beagle
Pick on me if you like - I'm sure I'm familiar with things you could'nt even guess at - including English Grammar
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The only people who slag off Stu Peach (and there are precious few of them) are those who can't keep up with him. He is the only Air Officer that I have ever met who I would unquestioningly follow to the end of the earth. Now if we're going to have qualifying criteria for the job of CAS, then that sounds like a good one to me.
Let's vote!
Let's vote!
Pardon my ignorance (it's not going to effect me personally, so I have never bothered to find out), but how long does someone serve as CAS? Until they retire....?
Surely any other job, with the exception of CDS, afterwards would be a backward step, demotion of sorts. So will Sir Glenn be CAS until he retires, or is there a specific time limit on the job????
Surely any other job, with the exception of CDS, afterwards would be a backward step, demotion of sorts. So will Sir Glenn be CAS until he retires, or is there a specific time limit on the job????
Isn't Mr Peach going to be very busy for the next 18mths - 2 years to be able to be CAS (even if his flying badge "debars" him from the appointment
). I'm sure those in the know will know. Knowledge and all that. After that I reckon he will be VCDS.
As for the next CAS - assuming it happens in the next couple of years - I think it will only ever be a "holding appointment" waiting for the likes of Timo, Baggers or, god forbid, Harps to get enough "time in" to hold the rank! The Dark Lord as CAS, perhaps with Baggers as CINC AIR, current Air Off Scotland as DCINC and Osby as AOC 1. Now that would be interesting (and probably a bit of fun as well). Mr L, ex staish at Brize, may even be AOC 2 by then.....!
And for a bit of fun what about the next CDS? Unlikely to be Torpy, Dannett has blown his chances (IMHO). Gen Richards anyone? Or Gen Lamb .... Maybe a sailor will get a look in!
). I'm sure those in the know will know. Knowledge and all that. After that I reckon he will be VCDS.As for the next CAS - assuming it happens in the next couple of years - I think it will only ever be a "holding appointment" waiting for the likes of Timo, Baggers or, god forbid, Harps to get enough "time in" to hold the rank! The Dark Lord as CAS, perhaps with Baggers as CINC AIR, current Air Off Scotland as DCINC and Osby as AOC 1. Now that would be interesting (and probably a bit of fun as well). Mr L, ex staish at Brize, may even be AOC 2 by then.....!
And for a bit of fun what about the next CDS? Unlikely to be Torpy, Dannett has blown his chances (IMHO). Gen Richards anyone? Or Gen Lamb .... Maybe a sailor will get a look in!
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Re-allocate Resources or Stop Complaining?
We are all stretched at the moment and I am sure the RAF are feeling the pinch very much in some areas with the hi tempo operations on-going.
However, I have always found it odd that the RAF seem to have a surplus of support personnel from basket weavers to blanket stackers to scribblers. The abundance of bods in these "Force Development Squadron" thingies always amazes me. The RN and Army have stripped the "tail" part of their organisations right back just to be able to afford the "teeth" (with the joy of LEAN to contend with). Do the RAF not realise just how much money you can re-direct if you are prepared to make a few sacrifices in the "tail" bit?
Hard hat on.....
However, I have always found it odd that the RAF seem to have a surplus of support personnel from basket weavers to blanket stackers to scribblers. The abundance of bods in these "Force Development Squadron" thingies always amazes me. The RN and Army have stripped the "tail" part of their organisations right back just to be able to afford the "teeth" (with the joy of LEAN to contend with). Do the RAF not realise just how much money you can re-direct if you are prepared to make a few sacrifices in the "tail" bit?
Hard hat on.....
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Greg Bagwell
AM Sir Gregory John Bagwell KCB CBE etc etc has a certain ring about it doesn't it. However, given that Steve Hillier has just got 2 Gp and Timo is ACAS, Baggers might be a bit behind the timeline just yet.
Incidentally, nice to see that the majority of the names in the frame are ex Bruggen Wing sqn Flt Lt's from the mid 80's (except Peachy who was a wheel on 31 and IX (B)).
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Incidentally, nice to see that the majority of the names in the frame are ex Bruggen Wing sqn Flt Lt's from the mid 80's (except Peachy who was a wheel on 31 and IX (B)).
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Top bloke, too.