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Can only echo what has been said before that TVP had to be shamed into this and why was it not a government directive?
Think it's the lack of awareness of the British public that allows this to have happened for so long.
Like the Canadians, Americans et al the agreement with the war may not exist in the majority but chances are the dead didn't agree completely they however died for what the elected Government did agree with/to and as such should be honoured for their sacrifice and putting their lives on the line for their comrades and friends in that front line scenario.
Think it's the lack of awareness of the British public that allows this to have happened for so long.
Like the Canadians, Americans et al the agreement with the war may not exist in the majority but chances are the dead didn't agree completely they however died for what the elected Government did agree with/to and as such should be honoured for their sacrifice and putting their lives on the line for their comrades and friends in that front line scenario.
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BBD - The MoD brings the bodies back, the MoD books the hearses, the MoD books them to go to the JR, so how hard is it to place one more call to Thames Valley Police? The MoD gives the impression of not caring, in my opinion.
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AA - Agreed. Don't get me wrong, my email on this subject is sitting in David Cameron's inbox. But, I'm not sure that MoD can insist that TVP provides an escort in the same way that Wilts Police choose to do. I just hope that whoever is asking is placing the appropriate emphasis on the question.
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As a point of interest. It used to be that our returning KIA came under the jurisdiction of the Coroner of the County the aircraft landed ie. Brize = Oxfordshire = Oxford.
Lynham is Wiltshire, why then are they crossing into Oxon????
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As a point of interest. It used to be that our returning KIA came under the jurisdiction of the Coroner of the County the aircraft landed ie. Brize = Oxfordshire = Oxford.
Lynham is Wiltshire, why then are they crossing into Oxon????
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Sapper hope this answers your question............
That is from this website. http://www.justice.gov.uk/news/announcement_301007a.htm
Coroners are independent judicial officers appointed and paid for by the relevant local authority. Their officers and staff are employed by the local authority and/or the police.
Each death of a serviceman or woman killed in an operation overseas whose body is repatriated to England and Wales is subject to an inquest. The inquest both the investigation into the death and the holding of the public hearing into the death is conducted by the coroner with jurisdiction which derives from where the body lies.
In the case of deaths of servicemen and women whose bodies were flown into RAF Brize Norton until it ceased to be used for repatriations on 31 March 2007, the Oxfordshire coroner, Nicholas Gardiner, has had initial jurisdiction. In the case of deaths of servicemen and women whose bodies have been flown into RAF Lyneham since 1 April 2007, the Wiltshire and Swindon coroner, David Masters, has initial jurisdiction.
The coroner has powers under the Coroners Act 1988 to transfer jurisdiction to another coroner whilst the body is still lying within his district and with the consent of the other coroner. Since late December 2006 the Oxfordshire coroner's practice was to transfer jurisdiction to coroners closer to the next of kin wherever possible; this practice has been continued by the Wiltshire and Swindon coroner since 1 April 2007. Some inquests of deaths of service personnel in Iraq and Afghanistan before December 2006 have also been transferred to other coroners.
Each death of a serviceman or woman killed in an operation overseas whose body is repatriated to England and Wales is subject to an inquest. The inquest both the investigation into the death and the holding of the public hearing into the death is conducted by the coroner with jurisdiction which derives from where the body lies.
In the case of deaths of servicemen and women whose bodies were flown into RAF Brize Norton until it ceased to be used for repatriations on 31 March 2007, the Oxfordshire coroner, Nicholas Gardiner, has had initial jurisdiction. In the case of deaths of servicemen and women whose bodies have been flown into RAF Lyneham since 1 April 2007, the Wiltshire and Swindon coroner, David Masters, has initial jurisdiction.
The coroner has powers under the Coroners Act 1988 to transfer jurisdiction to another coroner whilst the body is still lying within his district and with the consent of the other coroner. Since late December 2006 the Oxfordshire coroner's practice was to transfer jurisdiction to coroners closer to the next of kin wherever possible; this practice has been continued by the Wiltshire and Swindon coroner since 1 April 2007. Some inquests of deaths of service personnel in Iraq and Afghanistan before December 2006 have also been transferred to other coroners.
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It's a bit simpler than that. The bodies are taken to the John Radcliffe for a post mortem. It seems there are not the favilities for a PM in Wiltshire, despite all the money Broon has thrown at the NHS.
It annoys me that people/organisations have to be shamed into doing something. I just wish the national media would do something more proactive. For example a minutes silence on the six o'clock news with perhaps footage of the repatriation ceremony, or footage from Wootton Bassett, where the locals pay their respects. Might just focus peoples minds on what the armed forces are doing on their behalf.
Most of the police that are required for the ceremonies in Wootton Bassett (to close main street etc) do so on their days off! http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/s...len_heroes.php
Here are some other reports from the local paper.
http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/s...en_soldier.php
http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/s...ects_again.php
http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/s..._corporals.php
It would be nice to see a national media source take something like this and shame the government/people into doing more.
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Most of the police that are required for the ceremonies in Wootton Bassett (to close main street etc) do so on their days off! http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/s...len_heroes.php
Here are some other reports from the local paper.
http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/s...en_soldier.php
http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/s...ects_again.php
http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/s..._corporals.php
It would be nice to see a national media source take something like this and shame the government/people into doing more.
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for the person to set this up.
i lost my brother in 2005 and i remember seeing the streets lined with the people of lyneham was a sight i'll never forget, nor the respect and gratitiude for those people.
it is vital that our loved ones are treated like the heroes they are. the repatriation ceremony is a day which is only seconded by the sad event of a funeral and to know this might happen is one thing too much. take it from someone who knows you are so helpless on that day and the days that follows to know that this is a risk is one that is too much to bear.
quite simply, sometimes there are no words.....
for the person to set this up.i lost my brother in 2005 and i remember seeing the streets lined with the people of lyneham was a sight i'll never forget, nor the respect and gratitiude for those people.
it is vital that our loved ones are treated like the heroes they are. the repatriation ceremony is a day which is only seconded by the sad event of a funeral and to know this might happen is one thing too much. take it from someone who knows you are so helpless on that day and the days that follows to know that this is a risk is one that is too much to bear.
quite simply, sometimes there are no words.....
I found out yesterday, that the repatriation is filmed as the coffin is taken from the A/C and then when the convoy stops at the (recent) war memorial in Wootton Bassett for a small service, the town CCTV system also provides footage. This footage is then edited and presented to the relatives, not much but it is better than nothing. At least someone cares, even if the government/media don't.
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Swindon Advertiser 28/04/08
In the last month or so I've seen Police outriders escorting the corteges on the A419, but as pointed out that may be individual officers doing it on a voluntary basis.
In the last month or so I've seen Police outriders escorting the corteges on the A419, but as pointed out that may be individual officers doing it on a voluntary basis.
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Windy - Wiltshire have always escorted the coffins. Thames Valley stopped when they withdrew all their motorbikes from service for technical reasons, so when the cortege reach the the boundary, Wiltshire turned round.
The Daily Mail article prompted them to re-start, using cars. I started the petition on reading the Mail article, but the No.10 petition approvals process moves slowly, and in the meantime Thames Valley's CC was shamed by the Mail into re-starting.
However, the petition still has merit, in case coffins are brought back into other airfields. I'd like to see the MoD take the lead on this; I'm saddened that it's not high on their priorities.
The Daily Mail article prompted them to re-start, using cars. I started the petition on reading the Mail article, but the No.10 petition approvals process moves slowly, and in the meantime Thames Valley's CC was shamed by the Mail into re-starting.
However, the petition still has merit, in case coffins are brought back into other airfields. I'd like to see the MoD take the lead on this; I'm saddened that it's not high on their priorities.
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Police motorcycle escorts
Whats the bet that if the outriders are doing it in their own time they are ex service?
Still, that doesn't excuse the government for its seeming lack of concern in failing to provide escorts as a matter of course. And if they dont feel its their responsibility, then it fg well should be.
Still, that doesn't excuse the government for its seeming lack of concern in failing to provide escorts as a matter of course. And if they dont feel its their responsibility, then it f
g well should be.