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PVR anyone?

Old 18th Apr 2008, 21:12
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Question PVR anyone?

Does anyone have any good gen about my rights as far as period of notice if and when I PVR? The official docs seem a bit vague
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Old 18th Apr 2008, 21:24
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What trade are you?
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Old 19th Apr 2008, 00:28
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I can't say what the official line is but if you are part of a 'dying' trade you are out much quicker. They seem rather pleased to get rid of me (F3 Nav) when I applied a few years ago, and that was when there was a shortage of 'middle experience' F3 Navs. So the powers that be looked to the long future where I may have been more of a burden than I was at the time, rather than the immediate case of shortage of 2nd tourists. Iwas out in about 3 months+resettlement.
Or maybe it was just me
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Old 19th Apr 2008, 09:45
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I'm a straightforward FJ GD(P). I have a job offer from a civvy company (although not in writing yet), and am a bit unsure as to how far I can legitimately push things right now, to ensure that I get out on time. The standard rumours of 12 months minimum seem to be doing the rounds, but after digging through the relavent docs, I have found the PVR one, which says a minimum period of 6 months notice is required, subject to service needs etc.
Anyone else with experience under 12 months?
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Old 19th Apr 2008, 10:21
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You mean you have been productive for less than 12 months???

Have heard of numerous leaving in under 12, pilots included. If they can spare you, and your type is oversubscribed, I think the logic is that they want to get rid before you start moaning to everyone else and upset anyone.

What I would say is be prepared for an OOA if you do go, as they have nothing to lose by sending you (not as if you are going to PVR is it ).
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Old 19th Apr 2008, 16:32
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PVR Waiting Times

Standard is 12 months unless you are still amortising an OCU (which is usually 3 years or 6 years after your first OCU).
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Old 20th Apr 2008, 08:18
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Have done almost 12 years, not 12 months!!
Am talking about the period of notice that I am required to give when leaving on a PVR.....
I have heard rumours of the odd person leaving having given less than 12 months, but just wondered if anyone had personal experience....
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Old 20th Apr 2008, 08:42
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" Am talking about the period of notice that I am required to give when leaving on a PVR"

Has PVR now become a "right"?
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Old 20th Apr 2008, 09:07
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Personnal Experience:

Speak to Boss, get him/her on side regarding replacement of you in your post. Chat to Desk officer who will advise you on whether your rank/branch/specialisation is able to release you.

In 2007, the norm for S/L Pilots was 12 mths from date of application to last paid day of service. The decision rests with PMA. I was offered some tasty little OOA jobs at my 'career' interview which I politely declined.

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Old 21st Apr 2008, 18:17
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I'm currently in the process of trying to get them to release me. After several others on my sqd. had varying wait times of anywhere from 2weeks-6 months after their PVR application date, I thought that I would be able to do the same,especially because I have a firm job offer in writing and I am in an overborne slot with no pic number in an oversubscribed trade.

PMA were willing to let me go at the six month point after i applied for PVR.My Line manager approved this and for it to have gotten to PMA I assume my Sengo must have approved it as well.Now the Sengo has done a U-turn and is telling me I have to do 12 months because of the manpower.Even though PMA have said i cud go at the 6 month point.So now Im screwed...........any suggestions??
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Old 21st Apr 2008, 19:16
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Old 21st Apr 2008, 19:33
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PMA were willing to let me go at the six month point after i applied for PVR.My Line manager approved this and for it to have gotten to PMA I assume my Sengo must have approved it as well.Now the Sengo has done a U-turn and is telling me I have to do 12 months because of the manpower.Even though PMA have said i cud go at the 6 month point.So now Im screwed...........any suggestions??
Will PMA perhaps take a dim view of SEngO messing with their manning plot?
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Old 22nd Apr 2008, 03:50
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The ammortisation (3 years) of an OCU is NOT written in stone. If you sign as accepting those terms that is your right (and your lookout). I know of a Flight Engineer, posted to ISK aged 52, who warned them (repeatedly) that he would PVR and a given point in time as he was entitled to a last tour of duty, and his choice was not the frozen north. PMA( no names..thick crewman) posted him anyway and lo and behold, 4 months later he PVR'd. PMA then tried playing the 3 year card, and this was rejected, because the guy had NOT signed the 3 year waiver of PVR rights. He was out within 3 months having just passed the OCU.

And before the moaners say "why did he do the OCU" The reason that he gave me was that he didnt want anyone else stitched up while he sat in Southern England on his last tour, he was prepared to go with a bang and give PMA(and said poster) a bloody nose. He succeeded. They were warned though.
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Old 22nd Apr 2008, 08:01
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If you have something in writing (or on JPA) from AIR Manning saying you can leave at 6 mths, then you can unless you get something else from AIR Manning telling you otherwise. You are employed by the RAF, not your SEngO.

As for aircrew, think most are being held for 12 mths, especially if they are in flying tours. Ground tours/staff appointments might be different depending on how essential you are and how many sickies there are kicking around that could stand in for you. Just depends on circumstances, so no generic answer, sorry!
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Old 22nd Apr 2008, 12:01
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Has PVR now become a "right"?
PVR is a right. Try keeping someone in who wants out! It doesn't happen. This isn't the 1950s.

As far as I know, no-one in recent times has been kept in beyond 12 months within recent memory, with the exception of a RAF NCO whose PVR was rescinded pending a court martial - he won his case in Strasbourg although this was to do with the CM rather than the PVR. There are two cases I recall reading about - an Army officer and a RN senior rate - who wanted out earlier than the notice period but whose applications were refused, and who went to court. They were unsuccessful.

So, you may need to do the time but you will get out.
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Old 22nd Apr 2008, 14:02
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Take a Career Break!

Alternatively apply for a 20 month career break (you can have up to 36 months). This way you can sod off sharpish (career breaks can be sorted in fairly short order) start the civvy employment and then if it is all tickety boo whack your notice whilst on the career break. Do this before the 8 month point and you can work your 12 months notice on the career break.

It works and these days career breaks are quite common as they are a good retention measure (ha ha ha). Just convince your boss you want a career break and he should submit a request to your career manager / desk officer.

Easy, and it gives you that fall back option for when the economy goes tits up and people are laid off (heaven forbid).

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Old 22nd Apr 2008, 21:45
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if you have a permenant job offer take a copy to psf you can be out within 7 days. I was a techie on 10th dec, civvy by the 14th. easy as. best decision ever
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Old 23rd Apr 2008, 02:51
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As my post above says, I was out in less than six months... I think it was about 3 months plus resettlement stuff (as good as out!). But then again I was a Nav on a dying jet YMMV needs of the service are paramount I reckon
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Old 27th Apr 2008, 19:37
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From my own experience with PVR I was straight with both my Boss's and my Desk Officer and they were very good for me. The line was generally if you had an offer of employment then the RAF generally wouldn't stand in your way - subject to the service need.

The bummer was always they couldn't tell you how long for your PVR until you'd PVR'd, but you don't want to PVR until you know how much time it will take as this will affect your job offer and the loop goes on.

My advice is just be straight with Bosses and deskies and, unless you've got a berk for either, then they'll be straight for you. My Deskie has already told me I left at the right time and he keeps my number in case he needs a rec for a job.
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Old 27th Apr 2008, 20:46
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PVR and OOA

Don't think it has been covered.

I PVR'd in Apr '07, out Apr '08, the PVR was 'signed' off by deskie. They then warned me of OOA in Oct which I politely told them they cannot do. As on the form it actually says that you only have to complete the OOA you have been warned for before the date the PVR has been signed off.

Something else to mention, I was desperate to get out and start my new job I saved up all my annual leave and resettlement and started leave in Dec. You may get stung by the tax man but hey....you're out of the mob!!
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