William borrows a company Vehicle.....
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Well in terms of P.R. It was a home goal, though of course the message is, " Sod you lot, so what, I'm Royal you know"...
Exactly how many Chinooks are going spare for real training or use in Afghanistan ?
I expect a few Harrier pilots would have liked to drop in on their girlfriends, or as a last ditch alternative wives, for all I know it may have happened.
At the Southern England civilian airfield where I worked, there was a period when a 2-seat Jaguar happened to have to do a Navex arriving every Friday, departing Monday mornings...
Exactly how many Chinooks are going spare for real training or use in Afghanistan ?
I expect a few Harrier pilots would have liked to drop in on their girlfriends, or as a last ditch alternative wives, for all I know it may have happened.
At the Southern England civilian airfield where I worked, there was a period when a 2-seat Jaguar happened to have to do a Navex arriving every Friday, departing Monday mornings...
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Is that Deja Vu, finger trouble or an actual comment ?
The mention of months & years makes me think you're referring to something other than the recent 'helo jollies...
P.S, Nothing can be as sickenining as 'the whole Diana thing'...
The mention of months & years makes me think you're referring to something other than the recent 'helo jollies...
P.S, Nothing can be as sickenining as 'the whole Diana thing'...
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Just dug out my old log book, one entry goes like this: CYBG[RCAF Stn Bagotville} cross country to CYQY{Sydney Nova Scotia} Nav trip{who the F-- are we kidding? we went further than that on a normall intercept} Translation, pick up 800lbs of lobsters for squadron piss up! My how times have changed!The only thing to watch was dont let them drip on the eight 50cals, makes for stickey breach blocks!
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At the Southern England civilian airfield where I worked, there was a period when a 2-seat Jaguar happened to have to do a Navex arriving every Friday, departing Monday mornings...
By kneejerking to ill-informed reaction amongst members of the media and public, who understand little about the RAF modus operandi, the RAF runs the risk of becoming an environment where any personal perqs must be eradicated, and the attractive side of military life gets chipped away a little more. This happened a few years ago with the thankfully shortlived 'no landaways that can be perceived as enjoyable' ruling - all thanks to another media scoop. Those who know nothing about RAF ops and training should not be the ones determining policy.
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Max Stout,
I'm all for 'useful jollies' in every sense, keeps everyone happy while also hopefully useful training ( and it seems to me any time in the air is useful ) ; but exactly how many people get that priviledge ?
Not the groundcrew or even junior aircrew for sure...
I was on a supposedly civilian airfield but dealing with exclusively military aircraft and helped in my tiny way in their development - if you are lucky and skilled enough you're flying them now.
I'm all for 'useful jollies' in every sense, keeps everyone happy while also hopefully useful training ( and it seems to me any time in the air is useful ) ; but exactly how many people get that priviledge ?
Not the groundcrew or even junior aircrew for sure...
I was on a supposedly civilian airfield but dealing with exclusively military aircraft and helped in my tiny way in their development - if you are lucky and skilled enough you're flying them now.
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Dunsfold? Don't worry, I doubt that I'm lucky or skilled enough to be flying their products! HArrier mates may get all the good chat up lines, but wokka mates get the girls!
I have on occasions dropped off sqn groundcrew half way round a navex thus saving them a long journey on public transport!
Not the groundcrew or even junior aircrew for sure...
Double 0,
Harrier mates don't drop in to see girlfriends;
1. They have a perfectly good mirror in the mess, in the cockpit and in the car for emergencies...
2. The jet might get dirty; Field Ops was VERY GR3/RAFG....
3. Somebody MIGHT see GR7/9 in a field and suggest they go back to doing it.....
Banter aside, please do not tar RW operators with the same brush that you treat FJ aviators. I've often taken groundrew on training trips where the destination has included a "good time", I've also delivered cars/luggage when it was en-route and some training benefit could be proved (before you start, loading a car is good internal load practise for rearcrew...). Astonishingly, in the RW force we actually trust our Junior Pilots so they come too...!!!
Sorry to rain on your egalitarian soapbox...but, if you were in a position after all the hard work to be on a front line Sqn I'd bet you'd take what few perks were left.....
Harrier mates don't drop in to see girlfriends;
1. They have a perfectly good mirror in the mess, in the cockpit and in the car for emergencies...
2. The jet might get dirty; Field Ops was VERY GR3/RAFG....
3. Somebody MIGHT see GR7/9 in a field and suggest they go back to doing it.....
Banter aside, please do not tar RW operators with the same brush that you treat FJ aviators. I've often taken groundrew on training trips where the destination has included a "good time", I've also delivered cars/luggage when it was en-route and some training benefit could be proved (before you start, loading a car is good internal load practise for rearcrew...). Astonishingly, in the RW force we actually trust our Junior Pilots so they come too...!!!
Sorry to rain on your egalitarian soapbox...but, if you were in a position after all the hard work to be on a front line Sqn I'd bet you'd take what few perks were left.....
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I suspect you & I are both at a misunderstanding; as I said I'm all for any 'useful' flying one can get, and god knows anything to help ground / junior crew is desparately needed, never more than now.
As you have the space, it would be daft not to take up other closely involved people I agree, & laud your efforts...
As you have the space, it would be daft not to take up other closely involved people I agree, & laud your efforts...
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"One has been a very sortie boy" headline in the soaraway today, also "Wills gets out his chopper at Sandringham" again in the Sun Red Top.
More 'navigation' exercises revealed.
More 'navigation' exercises revealed.
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... now they are telling us that -
it was a COLLECTIVE error of judgment and William is holding his hands up for it as much as the RAF.
If he doesn't know the collective from the cyclic should he be driving "Wokas" at all !!
it was a COLLECTIVE error of judgment and William is holding his hands up for it as much as the RAF.
If he doesn't know the collective from the cyclic should he be driving "Wokas" at all !!
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Why is everybody so "up in arms". Find me an aircrew mate who has never flown over somebody they know. I'm more bothered about some Iraqi that gets £2 mil when our injured hero's get next to nothing. Error of judgement on both accounts.
HE must have done very well on his Flying and Skiing tour of the RAF, as according to the tabloid rags he is to become a Royal Knight of the Garter, joining the most senior British order of chivalry.
Is that because his Queens Golden Jubilee Medal looked lonely when he was photographed next to his father with his Tin Sheriffs and Blue Peter Badges
So that's a big
and a very well done sir, now do you need your bottom wiping again.
Is that because his Queens Golden Jubilee Medal looked lonely when he was photographed next to his father with his Tin Sheriffs and Blue Peter Badges
So that's a big
and a very well done sir, now do you need your bottom wiping again.
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PRINCE WILLIAM sparked fury last night after landing his £15,000-an-hour RAF helicopter in girlfriend Kate Middleton's back garden.
(Have amended this as it was obviously taken out of context. The dailies have been having a field day (pun intended) with Chopper jokes and I honestly thought that those of us who frequent this forum would have seen the post in the (very) light way in which it was intended.)
Apologies to one and all.
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I presume you believe that making crude and offensive sexual comments on a public forum about a serving officer and his girlfriend is acceptable because he is a Royal and so not entitled to the privacy, respect and consideration due to the rest of the population.
Clockwork - no, I think Dan d'air did it because it's funny