William borrows a company Vehicle.....
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Now THIS is much better use of the taxpayers' money...
Sea King Delivers Match Ball
What a disgusting and blatant waste of taxpayers' money. In these days of sparse resources, this helicopter should have been saving the lives of idiots on li-los, or idiots climbing mountains in PT vests, boxing gloves and roller-skates. And then there are the poor nurses in dangerous operational areas such as the Falklands. This chopper should have been giving them jollies around the islands in return for sexual favours to the crew, rather than wasting time delivering balls to a sports ground.
What a PR disaster for the RAF blah blah blah
Sea King Delivers Match Ball
What a disgusting and blatant waste of taxpayers' money. In these days of sparse resources, this helicopter should have been saving the lives of idiots on li-los, or idiots climbing mountains in PT vests, boxing gloves and roller-skates. And then there are the poor nurses in dangerous operational areas such as the Falklands. This chopper should have been giving them jollies around the islands in return for sexual favours to the crew, rather than wasting time delivering balls to a sports ground.
What a PR disaster for the RAF blah blah blah
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"Details of the angry reaction emerged as the young royal came under fire for using a RAF Chinook for a second time to fit in a personal visit".
Some "personal visit". The Mail and other garbage peddlars will milk it for every drop. There is no way of avoiding "bad publicity" for the Forces from any contact with the royals. There will always be some self-styled expert who can distort the most uncontroversial activity and blow it up into a righteous indignation fest. And there is no shortage of morons who will believe anything printed, including some regrettably who post on PPrune.
I think I'll emigrate. I can't stand this bl**dy country any more.
Some "personal visit". The Mail and other garbage peddlars will milk it for every drop. There is no way of avoiding "bad publicity" for the Forces from any contact with the royals. There will always be some self-styled expert who can distort the most uncontroversial activity and blow it up into a righteous indignation fest. And there is no shortage of morons who will believe anything printed, including some regrettably who post on PPrune.
I think I'll emigrate. I can't stand this bl**dy country any more.
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Wouldn't it be refreshing if Torpy, instead of giving in to the attack of the media-led morons and shovelling pooh over his hard-working and dedicated subordinates, actually had the b*lls to stand up and support his people. After all, they did nothing wrong and broke no regulations. Their fault, if it is one, was to allow the self-styled experts and royal bashers to attack. If Torpy caves in, he will have allowed that attack to succeed, despite it's lack of substance. Then there will be no end to the self-destructive tail-biting by the RAF and other Services. In the end no-one will dare to put his head above the parapet in any circumstances and the b*stards will have won.
Don't expect he will though, so I'll still consider emigrating.
Don't expect he will though, so I'll still consider emigrating.
From MoD's own news site ( http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/De...utelyVital.htm ):
Air Chief Marshal Torpy said that he is planning to learn to fly a C130 Hercules very soon:
Which is surely all that HRH - one day to become head of the UK's Armed Forces (if there are any left by then) - was doing?
This is an utter non-event and if all Torpy has to do is to chew the carpet over the issue, he should look in the mirror first.
Air Chief Marshal Torpy said that he is planning to learn to fly a C130 Hercules very soon:
"I think in some ways it's easier to be at the sharp end than trying to grapple with all the other problems that you have to do when you get to the top of any big organisation.
"I try and keep as close as I can in contact with the front line, because at the end of the day, that's what it's all about and I go and fly on the Squadrons wherever I can to see what the youngsters are really doing."
"I try and keep as close as I can in contact with the front line, because at the end of the day, that's what it's all about and I go and fly on the Squadrons wherever I can to see what the youngsters are really doing."
This is an utter non-event and if all Torpy has to do is to chew the carpet over the issue, he should look in the mirror first.
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From MoD's own news site ( http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/De...utelyVital.htm ):
Which is surely all that HRH - one day to become head of the UK's Armed Forces (if there are any left by then) - was doing?
This is an utter non-event and if all Torpy has to do is to chew the carpet over the issue, he should look in the mirror first.
Which is surely all that HRH - one day to become head of the UK's Armed Forces (if there are any left by then) - was doing?
This is an utter non-event and if all Torpy has to do is to chew the carpet over the issue, he should look in the mirror first.
Subtle difference though:
1. Torpy earned his wings
2. Torpy earned his promotions
3. Torpy is the REAL head of the RAF
4. William will be monarch, but will have no say in the running of the RAF unlike Torpy.
Lets face it, as long as the monarchy have backsides to lick, you will find people to do it.
So lets have this thread closed as it is serving absolutely no useful purpose, much like FO Wales and the rest of his dysfunctional family.
So lets have this thread closed as it is serving absolutely no useful purpose, much like FO Wales and the rest of his dysfunctional family
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William will be head-of-state for far longer than Torpy's tenure as CAS. As head-of-state William will have more direct access to those politicians who will determine the future of the RAF than Torpy and his successors could ever dream about.
Prior to this course William's knowledge of the roles and capabilities of the RAF will have been almost entirely based on what he will have picked-up from the Army. The RAF may one day need William to apply some behind-the-scenes influence on his government. I would suggest that not making any effort to offset some of the opinions that he will have been exposed to in the Army would be unwise.
Conversely, if CAS is not already sufficiently knowledgeable to command a force that includes C-130s without actually learning to fly them himself, then the RAF needs to re-examine how they educate their senior officers. Familiarization on genuinely representative sorties may improve his understanding of capabilities, but actually "qualifying" on the aircraft is surely just a stunt?
His Air-ship will perform a few circuits in the LHS and then probably fly as "captain" to AKT for the benefit of RAF news - proving what exactly? He will find it all very smooth and easy, and the GPU in Cyprus will probably even work first time. He won't get anywhere near experiencing the ball-ache of seemingly pushing everyone else to make the task work, followed by the fatigue of operating back-to-back long haul flights, culminating in trying to remain alert over the London TMA.
William had the hours allocated and they were flown-off in a useful manner, with a bit of fun-factor thrown-in. I thought that was the sort of RAF that we all wanted to be part of. The ne'er sayers should be aware that they are adding to the tone that will see useful activities being stopped because someone with very little knowledge perceives that they might be portrayed as "having fun" on the public purse. Ski-champs anyone?
Prior to this course William's knowledge of the roles and capabilities of the RAF will have been almost entirely based on what he will have picked-up from the Army. The RAF may one day need William to apply some behind-the-scenes influence on his government. I would suggest that not making any effort to offset some of the opinions that he will have been exposed to in the Army would be unwise.
Conversely, if CAS is not already sufficiently knowledgeable to command a force that includes C-130s without actually learning to fly them himself, then the RAF needs to re-examine how they educate their senior officers. Familiarization on genuinely representative sorties may improve his understanding of capabilities, but actually "qualifying" on the aircraft is surely just a stunt?
His Air-ship will perform a few circuits in the LHS and then probably fly as "captain" to AKT for the benefit of RAF news - proving what exactly? He will find it all very smooth and easy, and the GPU in Cyprus will probably even work first time. He won't get anywhere near experiencing the ball-ache of seemingly pushing everyone else to make the task work, followed by the fatigue of operating back-to-back long haul flights, culminating in trying to remain alert over the London TMA.
William had the hours allocated and they were flown-off in a useful manner, with a bit of fun-factor thrown-in. I thought that was the sort of RAF that we all wanted to be part of. The ne'er sayers should be aware that they are adding to the tone that will see useful activities being stopped because someone with very little knowledge perceives that they might be portrayed as "having fun" on the public purse. Ski-champs anyone?
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Show me a serviceman who has never enjoyed a 'perk' of the job and I'll show you an RAF Policeman.
The guy, like his Granny, will probably have to work well into old age, has pretty much no choice in this and, as far as I can see, is entitled to use a Chinook to land in his girlfriends back garden.
What gets me is the bull about 'legitimate training', etc.
If I was him I'd be saying, "right, I'm going to land a Chinook in my girlfriends back garden, OK?
He can buzz my house if he wants as well I don't care.
The guy, like his Granny, will probably have to work well into old age, has pretty much no choice in this and, as far as I can see, is entitled to use a Chinook to land in his girlfriends back garden.
What gets me is the bull about 'legitimate training', etc.
If I was him I'd be saying, "right, I'm going to land a Chinook in my girlfriends back garden, OK?
He can buzz my house if he wants as well I don't care.
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Yesterday JessTheDog wrote "As an afterthought, why didn't the royal twosome drop in on Headley Court or Selly Oak for a morale visit, even a hospital, hospice or charity?"
This site clearly has more influence than we'd give it credit: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7358282.stm
So, therefore, Ma'am, please can you add me to your list. I'd like a "K" if possible or, failing that, a nice CBE or OBE. Cheers m'dear.
This site clearly has more influence than we'd give it credit: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7358282.stm
So, therefore, Ma'am, please can you add me to your list. I'd like a "K" if possible or, failing that, a nice CBE or OBE. Cheers m'dear.
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Has someone in Clarence House/MoD picked up on all this? Or was it pre-planned?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7358282.stm
They should have taken along some of the female hangers-on (of CDs?!?) from the stag do - that would have really boosted morale! 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7358282.stm
Princes William and Harry have met patients at a medical rehabilitation centre for the armed forces.
They went on a private tour of the facilities at the Defence Medical Services Rehabilitation Centre, Headley Court, near Epsom, Surrey.
The princes met patients undergoing treatment and those with limited mobility, and spoke about next month's City Salute Appeal.
The event, and the clinic visit, are aimed at raising support for UK troops.
Next month's City Salute event will be an open-air event held in the City of London on 7 May.
Members of the public will be asked to help raise money for injured servicemen and women, and the funds raised will go to the City Salute Appeal.
During the tour, Harry was reunited with one of the injured servicemen who shared his return flight from his tour of duty in Afghanistan.
Marine Ben McBean, 21, lost an arm and a leg when a mine exploded during a patrol in the country, and he was flown back to the UK for medical treatment at the same time as the prince left the country.
Both princes also met L/Sgt Adam Ball, 23, of 1st Battalion Grenadier Guards who has spent six months at Hedley Court after he lost a leg when he stepped on an explosive device in Afghanistan.
L/Sgt Ball said the visit had boosted morale at the centre.
"With Harry having done it himself he knows the ins and outs and it's more like banter, talking to an officer maybe, than talking to a royal."
The clinic visited by the princes offers a wide range of therapies to aid rehabilitation.
The site provides consultants, physiotherapists, occupational therapists, speech and language therapists, social workers, a psychologist and a cognitive therapist.
As part of their visit, the princes joined a group of patients and staff to discuss the City Salute event.
The Defence Medical Services Rehabilitation Centre is set to benefit from the drive, with projects to be funded including a swimming pool and sports complex for physiotherapy and family accommodation.
In an earlier tour of the centre, the princes visited the hydro-therapy pool, the physiotherapy room, the workshops where prosthesis are made, the gymnasium and the wards.
The clinic was originally developed as a centre for aircrews and officers after a collection of funds and donations during the war.
And, in 1984, it extended its remit to treating personnel of all ranks and Services.
Since 2002, the site has delivered rehabilitation as part of a network of 14 medical Regional Rehabilitation Units.
They went on a private tour of the facilities at the Defence Medical Services Rehabilitation Centre, Headley Court, near Epsom, Surrey.
The princes met patients undergoing treatment and those with limited mobility, and spoke about next month's City Salute Appeal.
The event, and the clinic visit, are aimed at raising support for UK troops.
Next month's City Salute event will be an open-air event held in the City of London on 7 May.
Members of the public will be asked to help raise money for injured servicemen and women, and the funds raised will go to the City Salute Appeal.
During the tour, Harry was reunited with one of the injured servicemen who shared his return flight from his tour of duty in Afghanistan.
Marine Ben McBean, 21, lost an arm and a leg when a mine exploded during a patrol in the country, and he was flown back to the UK for medical treatment at the same time as the prince left the country.
Both princes also met L/Sgt Adam Ball, 23, of 1st Battalion Grenadier Guards who has spent six months at Hedley Court after he lost a leg when he stepped on an explosive device in Afghanistan.
L/Sgt Ball said the visit had boosted morale at the centre.
"With Harry having done it himself he knows the ins and outs and it's more like banter, talking to an officer maybe, than talking to a royal."
The clinic visited by the princes offers a wide range of therapies to aid rehabilitation.
The site provides consultants, physiotherapists, occupational therapists, speech and language therapists, social workers, a psychologist and a cognitive therapist.
As part of their visit, the princes joined a group of patients and staff to discuss the City Salute event.
The Defence Medical Services Rehabilitation Centre is set to benefit from the drive, with projects to be funded including a swimming pool and sports complex for physiotherapy and family accommodation.
In an earlier tour of the centre, the princes visited the hydro-therapy pool, the physiotherapy room, the workshops where prosthesis are made, the gymnasium and the wards.
The clinic was originally developed as a centre for aircrews and officers after a collection of funds and donations during the war.
And, in 1984, it extended its remit to treating personnel of all ranks and Services.
Since 2002, the site has delivered rehabilitation as part of a network of 14 medical Regional Rehabilitation Units.
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Show me a serviceman who has never enjoyed a 'perk' of the job and I'll show you an RAF Policeman.
The Snowdrops always seemed to have the pick of the ladies who dwelled therein.
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The guardroom at RAF Wahn was opposite the WRAF block and woe betide any one caught lingering in the vicinity.
The Snowdrops always seemed to have the pick of the ladies who dwelled therein.
The Snowdrops always seemed to have the pick of the ladies who dwelled therein.
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...Hang on, stinky, perk(y), (Pinky and Perky) weren't they pigs, RAF Police, aren't these pigs, WRAF's, aren't these pigs.
It all makes sense now.
Apologies for replying to my own post.
It all makes sense now.
Apologies for replying to my own post.