Wikiposts
Search
Military Aviation A forum for the professionals who fly military hardware. Also for the backroom boys and girls who support the flying and maintain the equipment, and without whom nothing would ever leave the ground. All armies, navies and air forces of the world equally welcome here.

RAF Lynx?!

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 14th Apr 2008, 21:13
  #1 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Some-r-set
Posts: 163
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
RAF Lynx?!

SOURCE


So, if the second photo wasn't enough of a clue, I did laugh hard when I realised where it had come from!


CLUE- check bottom! Fine quality read!
High_lander is offline  
Old 15th Apr 2008, 04:46
  #2 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: england
Posts: 613
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
'Bout time. We hear enough abought Army Chinooks, Pumas and even C130s
Lurking123 is offline  
Old 15th Apr 2008, 11:17
  #3 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Earth
Posts: 19
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Yes I noticed that last night as well - slightly worrying coming from the MoD!
parapauk is offline  
Old 15th Apr 2008, 13:56
  #4 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Temporarily missing from the Joe Louis Arena
Posts: 2,131
Received 27 Likes on 16 Posts
Perhaps the MoD have let slip what is no doubt inevitable anyway.

You can imagine the conversation between the Treasury and some MoD civil serpent,

Treasury - "We have one Army and one Navy, what do we need an Air Force and two smaller air arms for?"

MoD - "Submitting posture assumed, standing by to receive boarders from the rear."


The Helpful Stacker is offline  
Old 15th Apr 2008, 15:11
  #5 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Whatever the GPS says
Posts: 21
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
yeah...you might be right I s'pose..........OI YOU!!!.....YES YOU......GET YOUR F*&KIN' HANDS OUT OF YER POCKETS..........!!!!!!!!!
Groundaphobic is offline  
Old 15th Apr 2008, 16:11
  #6 (permalink)  
Gnd
 
Join Date: May 2000
Location: Wiltshire
Age: 58
Posts: 596
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I think that is dangerous as the two smaller Forces are much more efficient and the serpent might see it the other way - what a farce hey?????
Gnd is offline  
Old 15th Apr 2008, 16:59
  #7 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Temporarily missing from the Joe Louis Arena
Posts: 2,131
Received 27 Likes on 16 Posts
..as the two smaller Forces are much more efficient....
Now that is comedy.

I was being lighthearted with my initial comment but can't let that response lie.

Cost of training commissioned AAC pilots vs years they are likely to be effective in role?

Cost of FAA fast jet training vs number of posts that FAA FJ pilots can fill and likelihood of career advancement once in post?

Its possible to see inefficiency in all the services if you look hard enough (and there is much more scope if we step outside of the flying branches).
The Helpful Stacker is offline  
Old 15th Apr 2008, 20:59
  #8 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 1999
Location: S England
Age: 54
Posts: 320
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Cost of training commissioned AAC pilots vs years they are likely to be effective in role?

Cost of FAA fast jet training vs number of posts that FAA FJ pilots can fill and likelihood of career advancement once in post?
True, but:

RAF c350 bods per aircraft
FAA c30 bods per aircraft
AAC c20 bods per aircraft.

So, best not get into a pi55ing match over effeciencies!
Chicken Leg is offline  
Old 15th Apr 2008, 21:07
  #9 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Wattashame
Posts: 136
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
THS your earlier comment...Treasury - "We have one Army and one Navy, what do we need an Air Force and two smaller air arms for?"

The same treasury might say the same about the RAF having it's own little infantry regiment along with the Royal Navy having it's own brigade, where do you want it to end?
AHQHI656SQN is offline  
Old 15th Apr 2008, 21:15
  #10 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Close by!
Posts: 324
Received 4 Likes on 2 Posts
where do you want it to end?
I don't want it to start
insty66 is offline  
Old 16th Apr 2008, 01:48
  #11 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: East Anglia
Posts: 1,873
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
True, but:

RAF c350 bods per aircraft
FAA c30 bods per aircraft
AAC c20 bods per aircraft.

So, best not get into a pi55ing match over effeciencies!
CL, I do hope your arithmetic improves soon if you really are a pilot. RAF manpower 41440 covering 853 aircraft actually comes out at a creditable 48.5ish. Not bad considering the complexity of many of them. Your figures are also somewhat disingenuously skewed if one considers the FAA has approx 6200 people looking after 200 aircraft. That doesn't cover all the support functions required to keep the aircraft in useful places- you know like the boats they are supposed to be on. If you are going to start silly numbers games (i.e plucking figures out of the air) its always good to be accurate or at least hope nobody checks.

Last edited by Kitbag; 16th Apr 2008 at 02:16.
Kitbag is offline  
Old 16th Apr 2008, 08:36
  #12 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: I wish someone would tell me
Age: 47
Posts: 31
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Wow, why am I not surprised!

How many posts does it take to go from discussing the real issue of why the MoD cannot even understand the difference between aircraft owned and operated by the different services, to 'my service is bigger and better than yours!'

I doubt Mr Williams even thought about the 'who should own what' b*&ll&ks that gets spouted on here, and was simply either too hurried or 'not bovvered' to get the real facts.

Please, dear God, can we for once work together back here in the UK, just like the guys who are doing the real job on joint ops, and who don't give a t&ss about all this willy waving.

(And it's not even 1000, Grr!)

PS I wonder who screens these articles before they are released!
colonel cluster is offline  
Old 16th Apr 2008, 09:09
  #13 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: In a shed
Posts: 70
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Exactly the point, I was going to make, Mon Colonel!

Mr Williams is, I understand, relatively new to the RAF/MOD, so he may well not be aware and didn't think to ask the right question. But is there not someone,with some military expertise/knowledge, responsible in MOD for checking its public output? (I think I know the answer to that already!!!)
LOTA is offline  
Old 16th Apr 2008, 09:12
  #14 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: UK
Posts: 785
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
PS I wonder who screens these articles before they are released!
wg13_dummy is offline  
Old 16th Apr 2008, 19:01
  #15 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Hanging off the end of a thread
Posts: 33,068
Received 2,939 Likes on 1,252 Posts
No doubt the 5 without weapons are given a clip of ammunition and told to take the weapon off the man in front, a Treasury Idea picked up from watching the film, Enemy at the Gates
NutLoose is offline  
Old 16th Apr 2008, 19:19
  #16 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Posts: 33
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
[QUOTE]Quote:
Cost of training commissioned AAC pilots vs years they are likely to be effective in role?

Cost of FAA fast jet training vs number of posts that FAA FJ pilots can fill and likelihood of career advancement once in post?
True, but:

RAF c350 bods per aircraft
FAA c30 bods per aircraft
AAC c20 bods per aircraft.

So, best not get into a pi55ing match over effeciencies!/QUOTE]

Chicken Leg, I see your pi55ing contest and see you with a:

Who provides the AAC's SE Fits, ATC in Germany, A2 on ops, UK LFS etc etc etc? Oh and be a good boy and add in the REME's that look after your cabs.

and then I'll raise you a:

Lets discuss how many aircraft deployed are on ops as a percentage of total aircraft fleet; shall we start with 60+ AH or maybe the 100 or so Lx?

Emerson Cahooners is offline  
Old 17th Apr 2008, 01:14
  #17 (permalink)  
Below the Glidepath - not correcting
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: U.S.A.
Posts: 1,874
Received 60 Likes on 18 Posts
The good news is the Author of the article has corrected it within 48 hours, the depressing news is that the inter-service dick dance goes on relentlessly.
Two's in is offline  
Old 17th Apr 2008, 08:05
  #18 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: I wish someone would tell me
Age: 47
Posts: 31
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Someone pays attention at the MoD!

Do you think they read about it on here? Cheers for the update 2's in. Issue closed, but lets hope 'lesson identified'!

May all those continuing the merry d!ck dance contract something green and nasty, followed by aforementioned articles falling off!

Failing that....grow up!
colonel cluster is offline  

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.