A2 Pay?
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A2 Pay?
Anyone heard/started/know anything about an incentive payment for A2 instructors? Been bandied around to encourage more rotary instructors to upgrade to A2.
Been bandied around to encourage more rotary instructors to upgrade to A2.
Most of the QHI's I know will be getting a pay increase from the Airlines in the non too distant future. Can't see them getting excited about an AIP or some other lame measure,
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From the fast-jet world, I cannot imagine how you can give an A2 instructor more money than chaps who stay on the front-line, doing Op flying.
So here you go after you first tour, you opt to become a QFI, Valley, Linton or even a UAS, home very night, stable environment, no chance of being shot at, and you are saying that these QFIs should be paid more than front-line pilots, who are spending 6 months away from home, not to mention all the other factors that make front-line Ops a strain.
Nonsense!
So here you go after you first tour, you opt to become a QFI, Valley, Linton or even a UAS, home very night, stable environment, no chance of being shot at, and you are saying that these QFIs should be paid more than front-line pilots, who are spending 6 months away from home, not to mention all the other factors that make front-line Ops a strain.
Nonsense!
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It's not my suggestion mate. Besides, there is already an AIP in place if you become an instructor, ergo a reward for putting in the efffort to become an instructor. Surely if you are prepared to put in the effort to become an A2, to meet service need, you should be rewarded again?
And don't they have A2's on the front line doing Op flying? And unlike the fixed wing world, to get to be an instructor on rotary, you will certainly have done your fair share of 'Op flying'.
It's not my suggestion mate. Besides, there is already an AIP in place if you become an instructor, ergo a reward for putting in the efffort to become an instructor. Surely if you are prepared to put in the effort to become an A2, to meet service need, you should be rewarded again?
And don't they have A2's on the front line doing Op flying? And unlike the fixed wing world, to get to be an instructor on rotary, you will certainly have done your fair share of 'Op flying'.
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Don't know if it is a bite but I am an A2 who has just got back from Ops, really looking forward to my next stint. Nights and spydr's are the best bit!!!!!
I'll haver a penny or 2 if it is going, as an A2, I am good enough with whichever goggles!!!
I'll haver a penny or 2 if it is going, as an A2, I am good enough with whichever goggles!!!
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I've heard that it'll be a SUBSTANTIAL amount to nearly match civilian equivalents; payable to those who are in CFS and beyond, with an A2 and are in a position to offer their instructional abilities in the future (i.e. non-career dudes).
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Youre an A3 arent you?
The AAC is strongly rumoured to be 'rationalising' rank structure for QHIs. B2 Sgt, B1 SSgt, A2 WOII. Essentially, QHI at the school; SSgt. SQHI, WO2. Indep Sqn QHI WO2/WO1. As always, I'll not be popping down to William Hills until its in.
Don't know if it is a bite but I am an A2 who has just got back from Ops, really looking forward to my next stint. Nights and spydr's are the best bit!!!!!
I'll haver a penny or 2 if it is going, as an A2, I am good enough with whichever goggles!!!
I'll haver a penny or 2 if it is going, as an A2, I am good enough with whichever goggles!!!
Youre an A3 arent you?
The AAC is strongly rumoured to be 'rationalising' rank structure for QHIs. B2 Sgt, B1 SSgt, A2 WOII. Essentially, QHI at the school; SSgt. SQHI, WO2. Indep Sqn QHI WO2/WO1. As always, I'll not be popping down to William Hills until its in.
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Sounds great...but too good to be true!
If it is on the cards, here's one suggestion - only make the pay applicable on returning to the front line. Maybe that would help cut out a certain type of QFI/QHI who stays in PTC for 15 yrs dodging anything that might mean them missing quiz night at the Red Lion.
....but where do we sign up?!?
Uncle G
If it is on the cards, here's one suggestion - only make the pay applicable on returning to the front line. Maybe that would help cut out a certain type of QFI/QHI who stays in PTC for 15 yrs dodging anything that might mean them missing quiz night at the Red Lion.
....but where do we sign up?!?
Uncle G
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And unlike the fixed wing world, to get to be an instructor on rotary...
.... when once in the training business, I recall asking one of my instructors if he's go for his A2 ...
.... his reply: "No thanks boss, I'll manage somehow without the extra pay ...."
But this was in the bad old days of having to know the number of rivets in the cabin door ....
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Well may be a B1+, I did do a lot of practices for the '+' unlike the very lucky ones who can bluff better. I must admit, I thought the rank thing was in the bank and didn't know it hadn’t happened!
I would love the promotion, but untill then £££££ are fine.
Well may be a B1+, I did do a lot of practices for the '+' unlike the very lucky ones who can bluff better. I must admit, I thought the rank thing was in the bank and didn't know it hadn’t happened!
I would love the promotion, but untill then £££££ are fine.
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Not sure I like the idea of promotion granted for passing trade upgrades. Nothing to say that a sparkling instructor also has the bearing and skills required to hold down a leadership position or the like.
I prefer the idea of having earned the promotion in the traditional way that the posts you can occupy have a rank requirement befitting the position. Some instructors have fallen on their sword over not having the interpersonal skills to interface with the chain of command at an appropriate level.
Note also that I refer to instructors and not QHIs specifically. It will take some time yet before many realise that AIs are all equals each with their own discipline. All of these instructional disciplines deliver capability although at present only flying instructors appear to have a monetary advantage in civvy street therefore do they need further recompense?
I prefer the idea of having earned the promotion in the traditional way that the posts you can occupy have a rank requirement befitting the position. Some instructors have fallen on their sword over not having the interpersonal skills to interface with the chain of command at an appropriate level.
Note also that I refer to instructors and not QHIs specifically. It will take some time yet before many realise that AIs are all equals each with their own discipline. All of these instructional disciplines deliver capability although at present only flying instructors appear to have a monetary advantage in civvy street therefore do they need further recompense?
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only flying instructors appear to have a monetary advantage in civvy street therefore do they need further recompense?
HEDP, why do you think the AAC is so short of QHIs?
Ans: Nobody wants to take the plunge because they see it as a promotion halt in most circumstances and cant see why they should put the extra effort in to get bugger all out of it. Ok, the pride in doing the job is one thing but the 'novelty' wears off after a while.
Most chaps would rather stay as a line shag, spending the time organising sqn BBQ's getting the superficial ticks in the boxes and thus getting promoted. Dont tell me you dont agree with how the AAC system of reward works?
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I can agree with some of your points but I note you still only refer to QHIs and 'line shags'. Until we accept that there is a broader scope of instructional posts then the wider AI community will suffer.
There are more AI (non-QHI) posts gapped than QHI and in some cases QHIs are haviing to fill those gaps. QHI comes with a moderate time bar as a golden handcuff whereas EWI/WI not so.
I think you will find that MW is a bit of a mark time for promotion as you compete with your peers but once you escape to the field army and compete with the 'line shags' (your terminology) then it is easier to stand out from the crowd. Better that you earn your promotion in this way than be over promoted for the wrong reasons and then fail to match up to expectation.
IMHO HEDP
There are more AI (non-QHI) posts gapped than QHI and in some cases QHIs are haviing to fill those gaps. QHI comes with a moderate time bar as a golden handcuff whereas EWI/WI not so.
I think you will find that MW is a bit of a mark time for promotion as you compete with your peers but once you escape to the field army and compete with the 'line shags' (your terminology) then it is easier to stand out from the crowd. Better that you earn your promotion in this way than be over promoted for the wrong reasons and then fail to match up to expectation.
IMHO HEDP
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'We' as in the Royal we or 'We' as in them in the portacabin across the A343?
If it’s the Royal 'we', we don’t have a problem with acknowledging other AI trades and quite rightly hope they get the recognition deserved. The latter may have a bit of catching up to do though. Crikey, 'The Corps' quite often fails to realise what century we are in so throwing all these new fangled quals into the pot is just going to confuse them.
One would like to hope we reward those who show potential for the technical side of things as opposed to what you consider to be 'traditional way'. Maybe that’s the problem? We still run the Corps as if it’s an extension of the Royal Artillery as opposed to recognising that most jobs within the Corps (ground and air) have become incredibly technocentric. That in itself does not mean we lose out on quality leadership and management as the 'traditional' methods would provide. We have far too many clever chaps and chapesses who become disenchanted at the lack of recognition of their skills and technical prowess. Why are so many going light and dark blue? What are we not offering them?
Why are the AI posts gapped? Why are people not going for these trades?
As you will be aware, we have plenty of people who are over promoted for the 'right reasons'.
On a completely unrelated subject, why do we have automatic promotion for some officers?
If it’s the Royal 'we', we don’t have a problem with acknowledging other AI trades and quite rightly hope they get the recognition deserved. The latter may have a bit of catching up to do though. Crikey, 'The Corps' quite often fails to realise what century we are in so throwing all these new fangled quals into the pot is just going to confuse them.
One would like to hope we reward those who show potential for the technical side of things as opposed to what you consider to be 'traditional way'. Maybe that’s the problem? We still run the Corps as if it’s an extension of the Royal Artillery as opposed to recognising that most jobs within the Corps (ground and air) have become incredibly technocentric. That in itself does not mean we lose out on quality leadership and management as the 'traditional' methods would provide. We have far too many clever chaps and chapesses who become disenchanted at the lack of recognition of their skills and technical prowess. Why are so many going light and dark blue? What are we not offering them?
Why are the AI posts gapped? Why are people not going for these trades?
As you will be aware, we have plenty of people who are over promoted for the 'right reasons'.
On a completely unrelated subject, why do we have automatic promotion for some officers?
I think you will find that MW is a bit of a mark time for promotion as you compete with your peers but once you escape to the field army and compete with the 'line shags' (your terminology) then it is easier to stand out from the crowd. Better that you earn your promotion in this way than be over promoted for the wrong reasons and then fail to match up to expectation.