Army to guard Heathrow?
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I like to see the JSP's for that role, I doubt it will happen but I wouldn't like to be the guy looking down the SUSAT deciding whether the target is attempting to blow up something / shoot someone or just hang up an anti seal clubbing banner. Why does the army have to pick up the tab for a private firms inability to do it's job.
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Agree with GPMG - imagine the problems writing the Yellow Card. Putting a lad with an SA80 every 15m along the fence is one way of doing it, but the alternative is building a better perimeter security barrier, which isn't that hard, despite what people think.
I think the Mail is flying a kite, to be honest.
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Probably just as many Taliban down that part of the world these days.... 
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Didn't think there were that many spare soldiers
The TA HSF has been disbanded, and as key point installation guarding was their role they'd have been ideal...., if a tad bored.
BAA need to pull their fingers out of their @rse and get prepared for plenty more incursions by plonkers, climate/runway demonstrators and those with uglier intentions. They should have seen it coming.
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Just to add a bit of military aviation to this thread, why not patrol the airfield with Apaches to act as a deterent and, if required, perform some top level 'neutralisation' 
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Even if you electrified the thing (not allowed), a fence will only delay someone from getting in; it won't stop them. How about a double fence with some big FO dogs (with ear defenders) roaming between?
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Even if you electrified the thing (not allowed), a fence will only delay someone from getting in; it won't stop them. How about a double fence with some big FO dogs (with ear defenders) roaming between?
.... the fun is in releasing once the chav's are trapped between the fence's..... 
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Better fencing
Although a better fence (such as the Israeli Innofence type of security fence) would be a good start, it seems it's quite easy to get on to the tarmac as a regular passenger (read, nuisance).
Maybe if we hadn't treated the global warming protesters so softly, then this latest thing may not have happened.
As an aside (thread creep), I have just been watching my local news, and it seems that the local Royal Marine reserves, had not been paid this year, due to an admin error (even though some are due to go to Afghanistan soon. Is this noo labours version of British forces being volunteers.
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Maybe if we hadn't treated the global warming protesters so softly, then this latest thing may not have happened.
As an aside (thread creep), I have just been watching my local news, and it seems that the local Royal Marine reserves, had not been paid this year, due to an admin error (even though some are due to go to Afghanistan soon. Is this noo labours version of British forces being volunteers.
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Quoting the Daily [hate] Mail??
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!
Sorry, my sides hurt now. You really think that their story is true?
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!
Sorry, my sides hurt now. You really think that their story is true?
As I work at Heathrow, maybe I can offer a little advice to anyone wishing to get airside without the requisite ID Card or ticket/boarding pass ...
(ooh, hang, black car outside, dooorbell ringing ...)
Anyway ...
Pretty much the whole of the perimiter fence is a simple chain-link fence with barbed-wire on top. Assuming that you can climb the fence and get over the top of the barbed-wire, all you have to do is to drop down to the grass below, and go 'walkabout'.
There are CCTV cameras at various places, so any intrusion is usually monitored.
So why aren't there a few rolls of barbed-wire/concertina-wire/razor-wire set-up just a few metres inside the permiter-fence? In fact, why not put one adjacent to the fence on the inside, so that anyone who does manage to climb over gets snared as they drop from the top?
How much does a roll of razor-wire cost. I'm sure it would cost less than £2 million, the amount that you and I paid the Chief Exec last year.
(ooh, hang, black car outside, dooorbell ringing ...)
Anyway ...
Pretty much the whole of the perimiter fence is a simple chain-link fence with barbed-wire on top. Assuming that you can climb the fence and get over the top of the barbed-wire, all you have to do is to drop down to the grass below, and go 'walkabout'.
There are CCTV cameras at various places, so any intrusion is usually monitored.
So why aren't there a few rolls of barbed-wire/concertina-wire/razor-wire set-up just a few metres inside the permiter-fence? In fact, why not put one adjacent to the fence on the inside, so that anyone who does manage to climb over gets snared as they drop from the top?
How much does a roll of razor-wire cost. I'm sure it would cost less than £2 million, the amount that you and I paid the Chief Exec last year.
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Rolls of razor-wire, any TA people still going ( given a CLEAR set of R of E ) and more night-capable cameras around would seem like just a start...the chap in the last incident seems to have been a random nut - sorry that's not very PC but anyway - what if he hadn't been...
Probably inside the minimum range of a Stinger, but an RPG would have been an unpleasant beginning to one's holiday - this is where the much maligned 'spotters ( and no I'm not one ) are very much a benefit to our side and to be encouraged - sort out bona fide ones and give them tours of the aircraft etc, and a direct security number to call - if necessary tell them there's a Concorde test flight coming in sometime !!!
Anything except rely on any version of the police " sorry I shot you repeatedly but you WERE reaching for a notebook - now how's my full pension coming along ? " - when I worked at test ranges the guards were armed Military Police, and a regiment of regular soldiers were living rough, unseen, in the bushes.
Considering the change of priorities, I would hope they ( if not busy in Afghanistan ) might be on their way to various airports...
Probably inside the minimum range of a Stinger, but an RPG would have been an unpleasant beginning to one's holiday - this is where the much maligned 'spotters ( and no I'm not one ) are very much a benefit to our side and to be encouraged - sort out bona fide ones and give them tours of the aircraft etc, and a direct security number to call - if necessary tell them there's a Concorde test flight coming in sometime !!!
Anything except rely on any version of the police " sorry I shot you repeatedly but you WERE reaching for a notebook - now how's my full pension coming along ? " - when I worked at test ranges the guards were armed Military Police, and a regiment of regular soldiers were living rough, unseen, in the bushes.
Considering the change of priorities, I would hope they ( if not busy in Afghanistan ) might be on their way to various airports...