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Old 13th Mar 2008, 14:22
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Have Blue (the demonstrator) flew on 1st December 1977 with Bill Park at the controls.
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Details I have shows first flight 18 June 1981 at Groom. First production aircraft accepted by the USAF (4450 TS) 2 Sep 1982 at Tonopah.
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As Gareth said, 1977 was the Have Blue, an about 2/3 scale proof of concept demonstrator, whereas 1981 was the YF-117, so you're both right actually!

The YF-117 was placed at the Blackbird Airpark at Palmdale last week alongside an A-12, SR-71 and D-21 - nice 'black' assortment of Lockheed memorabillia there!

I remember flying 'with' F-117s in GWII - well...we were DCA'ing their tankers as they came and went, but anyway - they never went anywhere without a huge 'gorilla' entourage of EA-6Bs and/or F-16CG/Js in tow!


BTW - TTR is at 37°48'6.79"N, 116°46'37.53"W. Those who have been to Red Flag will agree that there's some fun flying to be had in this area!

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Old 14th Mar 2008, 08:04
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I've looked for Tonopah on google maps and all I can find is a small Tonopah airport (civil), so is the airbase shielded by 'stealth' technology?
Fire up google earth and type in area 51.

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and one ANG squadrons are operational with the F-22
And the US ANG continues to be equipped with more up-to-date kit than the RAF.

Not sure where it came from but in 1983 my colleagues and I were aware of the planform of the B-2 but not the F-117, and this was long before we had confirmation of the existence of any stealth aircraft project.
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green granite, Tonopah isn't the same place as Area 51/Groom Lake.

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From Wiki

During the Kosovo War the 250th Missile Brigade equipped with the SA-3 'Goa' anti-aircraft missile system, downed a F-117A. According to NATO Commander Wesley Clark,and other NATO generals, Serb air defenses found that they could detect F-117s with their radars operating on unusually long wavelengths. This made them visible on radar screens for short times.

Reportedly several SA-3s were launched, one of which detonated in close proximity to the F-117A, forcing the pilot to eject. According to an interview they had a number of spotters spread out looking for F-117s and other NATO aircraft. The commanders of the SAMs guessed the flight paths of earlier F-117A strikes from rare radar spottings and positioned their SAM launchers and spotters accordingly. It is believed that the SA-3 crews and spotters were able to locate and track F-117A visually, probably with the help of infra-red and night vision systems.

Some American sources acknowledge that a second F-117A was also damaged during a raid in the same campaign, and although it made it back to its base, it supposedly never flew again.

which explains

post-Kosovo, it doesn't fly anywhere nowadays without dedicated ECM jamming cover, thus calling into question its unique selling point, ie its 'invisibility' to radar.
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During the Kosovo War the 250th Missile Brigade equipped with the SA-3 'Goa' anti-aircraft missile system, downed a F-117A. According to NATO Commander Wesley Clark,and other NATO generals, Serb air defenses found that they could detect F-117s with their radars operating on unusually long wavelengths. This made them visible on radar screens for short times.
About 6 weeks later the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade is bombed. Looks like they found the radar in question!! Just should have checked the address before launching the HARMs!!!!
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