Chinook or not? You decide!!
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Agree. N192CH is a KV107
Links to images of the airframe
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Colum...I-2/0384849/L/
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Im...-fox-01-16.jpg
Links to images of the airframe
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Colum...I-2/0384849/L/
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Im...-fox-01-16.jpg
Pretty tame compared with the pasting given to a Toyota Hilux by the Top Gear crew.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQ_60PpxSzI
That was the last of a series of brutal assaults on the poor truck!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQ_60PpxSzI
That was the last of a series of brutal assaults on the poor truck!
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I doubt if this ad would pass advertising standards in the UK.......that aint 30000lbs of anything hitting the bed of that truck......
However I feel the need to contact Mr Clarkson, Hamster and Capt. Slow as I think they can produce an ad suitable for UK tv
However I feel the need to contact Mr Clarkson, Hamster and Capt. Slow as I think they can produce an ad suitable for UK tv
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The aircraft is N192CH a Kawasaki Vertol 107-II. Hate to break it to the Jarheads & Squids but the V-107 predates their beloved Phrog. N6674D (construction number 4) still flies with Columbia Helicopters with over 70,000 hours on the airframe. 92CH was built in Japan in 1967 and flown with the Tokyo police force. Later sold to Columbia this bird has seen roles in Under Seige & X-Men 2. Note it's only one with the airliner style windows and single round window midway down the fuselage in the emergency exit. This was orginially a bubble window for an observers post when flying for the Tokyo PD.
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Not sure what your point is Vertolnut but N192CH is a KV-107, the model made by Kawasaki in Japan after 1965 and therefore very much an afterthought rather than a precedent.
The first production model 107s were military ones built to Army contract in 1958.
CH-46s (V-107Ms) went into Marine service in 1964. By the time N192CH was built there were literally hundreds of CH-46s wizzing about.
This is a military forum so its more familiar military designator was given as well. They are all the same basic aircraft and the FAA type rating for them lists them as BV-107s. Most of the world calls them Phrogs. Call them what you like but they certainly are not Chinooks.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CH-46_Sea_Knight
http://www.boeing.com/history/boeing/seaknight.html
The first production model 107s were military ones built to Army contract in 1958.
CH-46s (V-107Ms) went into Marine service in 1964. By the time N192CH was built there were literally hundreds of CH-46s wizzing about.
This is a military forum so its more familiar military designator was given as well. They are all the same basic aircraft and the FAA type rating for them lists them as BV-107s. Most of the world calls them Phrogs. Call them what you like but they certainly are not Chinooks.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CH-46_Sea_Knight
http://www.boeing.com/history/boeing/seaknight.html
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Might I point out that before Boeing got in on the act, the Bristol Aircraft Corporation developed a twin-rotor aircraft that first flew in 1952 and was developed into an operational type that was flown by the RAF in the 1960s. Details here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_Belvedere
Also, StbdD, I read VertolNut's post as entirely compatible with what you said. He said the aircraft was a Kawasaki Vertol 107, then went on to point out that the original 107 predated the Phrog. Or am I wrong?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_Belvedere
Also, StbdD, I read VertolNut's post as entirely compatible with what you said. He said the aircraft was a Kawasaki Vertol 107, then went on to point out that the original 107 predated the Phrog. Or am I wrong?
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Occasional Aviator, the Boeing Vertol model 107 IS the phrog. Vertolnut was using some sort of poetic license to imply otherwise. The point remains, the production military 107 far precedes the commercial production 107, especially those like N-192CH which were license built in Japan in 1967.
As to the whens and wheres of tandem rotor development: the US Piasecki company made the worlds first sucessful tandem rotor helicopter in 1945,
http://www.piasecki.com/xhrp-x.htm
the first production transport helicopter in 1947,
http://www.piasecki.com/hrp-1.htm
and the worlds first sucessful tandem overlapped rotor helicopter in 1948, along with the first sucessful helicopter autopilot system in 1950
http://www.piasecki.com/xhjp-1(h.htm
Willy waved, now in stowed for flight position.
As to the whens and wheres of tandem rotor development: the US Piasecki company made the worlds first sucessful tandem rotor helicopter in 1945,
http://www.piasecki.com/xhrp-x.htm
the first production transport helicopter in 1947,
http://www.piasecki.com/hrp-1.htm
and the worlds first sucessful tandem overlapped rotor helicopter in 1948, along with the first sucessful helicopter autopilot system in 1950
http://www.piasecki.com/xhjp-1(h.htm
Willy waved, now in stowed for flight position.
Piasecki H-21B Shawnee, 'Flying Banana' 54-4001 (N64606), is still flying in the U.S.
http://www.airliners.net/search/phot...nct_entry=true
http://www.warbirdregistry.org/helor...21-544001.html
TJ
http://www.airliners.net/search/phot...nct_entry=true
http://www.warbirdregistry.org/helor...21-544001.html
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"Not sure what your point is Vertolnut but N192CH is a KV-107, the model made by Kawasaki in Japan after 1965 and therefore very much an afterthought rather than a precedent.
The first production model 107s were military ones built to Army contract in 1958.
CH-46s (V-107Ms) went into Marine service in 1964. By the time N192CH was built there were literally hundreds of CH-46s wizzing about."
I'm sorry if StbD did not read my post because I clearly stated in the first line "The aircraft is N192CH a Kawasaki Vertol 107-II" and that specific airframe "was built in Japan in 1967." The production line of the BV107 & CH-46 in Philadelphia started with N6672D (Serial number 2 I might add after the prototype that the Army test flew) which was delivered to New York Airways in July of 1962 which was one month prior to the flight of any CH-46. Check your own references that you cite (Boeing).
In regards to your comment "They are all the same basic aircraft and the FAA type rating for them lists them as BV-107s." Sorry but there are two separate type certificates for the Boeing Vertol 107 and Kawasaki Vertol 107 respectively. Check the FAA database.
The point of my previous point of my previous post was to give you the specific history of that aircraft N192CH and that it, nor are any civil BV107 or KV107, a "CH-46." And they sure as heck aren't a Chinook. That title goes to the Boeing 234 Commercial Chinook.
A nice shot of N6672D in NYA colors:http://www.airliners.net/photo/New-York-Airways/Boeing-Vertol-107-II/0094285/L/
The first production model 107s were military ones built to Army contract in 1958.
CH-46s (V-107Ms) went into Marine service in 1964. By the time N192CH was built there were literally hundreds of CH-46s wizzing about."
I'm sorry if StbD did not read my post because I clearly stated in the first line "The aircraft is N192CH a Kawasaki Vertol 107-II" and that specific airframe "was built in Japan in 1967." The production line of the BV107 & CH-46 in Philadelphia started with N6672D (Serial number 2 I might add after the prototype that the Army test flew) which was delivered to New York Airways in July of 1962 which was one month prior to the flight of any CH-46. Check your own references that you cite (Boeing).
In regards to your comment "They are all the same basic aircraft and the FAA type rating for them lists them as BV-107s." Sorry but there are two separate type certificates for the Boeing Vertol 107 and Kawasaki Vertol 107 respectively. Check the FAA database.
The point of my previous point of my previous post was to give you the specific history of that aircraft N192CH and that it, nor are any civil BV107 or KV107, a "CH-46." And they sure as heck aren't a Chinook. That title goes to the Boeing 234 Commercial Chinook.
A nice shot of N6672D in NYA colors:http://www.airliners.net/photo/New-York-Airways/Boeing-Vertol-107-II/0094285/L/
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StbdD,
Thanks for the links, very interesting. I was vaguely aware of the Piasecki stuff, but not certain about dates. However, I stand by my original statement:
Before Boeing got in to the act,.....
and so was talking about what was in service before the CH-46/107.
Please read these posts more carefully.
Thanks for the links, very interesting. I was vaguely aware of the Piasecki stuff, but not certain about dates. However, I stand by my original statement:
Before Boeing got in to the act,.....
and so was talking about what was in service before the CH-46/107.
Please read these posts more carefully.
