IOT for "mature" VR entrants - what's involved?
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IOT for "mature" RAFR entrants - what's involved?
Has anyone here any knowledge of the abbreviated IOT that "mature" (or aged 
) entrants to the RAFVR (not for the ATC) are put through? I'm told that it's 4 months minimum but can't find any detail; it would be useful to know what's involved.
HFD
(Edited to correct typo in title)
) entrants to the RAFVR (not for the ATC) are put through? I'm told that it's 4 months minimum but can't find any detail; it would be useful to know what's involved.HFD
(Edited to correct typo in title)
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I think it's the extended SERE course (or whatever it's called now) of about 12 weeks ??
Last time I was at Deadloss Mess there were some Metmen (and ladies) on the course - and I think they are VR (not T) for their deployable bit......
Last time I was at Deadloss Mess there were some Metmen (and ladies) on the course - and I think they are VR (not T) for their deployable bit......
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Thought the RAFVR disbanded some years ago?
The RAuxAF IOT (but called ROIT instead of RIOT) is I believe a fortnight at Cranwell after six months or so of training with your own unit (plus BRC at Halton if you're a direct entrant).
The RAuxAF IOT (but called ROIT instead of RIOT) is I believe a fortnight at Cranwell after six months or so of training with your own unit (plus BRC at Halton if you're a direct entrant).
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If he thinks it's still the RAFVR he's failed IOT already.
Regie mental has it more or less right, but the work at sqn level is 4 months worth of distance learning (as I believe correspondance courses are called these days) Each month has a compulsory study weekend at Cranwell, and towards the end of the course is a compulsory 15 day residential phase at Cranwell during which the mature reservists mix in with the young regulars and try to keep up while they all rush around at some camp or other. Therefore my suggestion is that those who wish to try this route get themselves physically fit as this is no "attendance course" its hard work. - as it should be.
Regie mental has it more or less right, but the work at sqn level is 4 months worth of distance learning (as I believe correspondance courses are called these days) Each month has a compulsory study weekend at Cranwell, and towards the end of the course is a compulsory 15 day residential phase at Cranwell during which the mature reservists mix in with the young regulars and try to keep up while they all rush around at some camp or other. Therefore my suggestion is that those who wish to try this route get themselves physically fit as this is no "attendance course" its hard work. - as it should be.
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Maybe I should have said RAFR (FTRS) rather than RAFVR.
I've been led to believe that IOT would be a full-time course with a minimum duration of 4 months, but this seems surprisingly long for someone with relatively extensive professional experience and who will not see 50 again.
I'm interested to find out what topics are covered on the course and, in particular, what physical standards are expected.
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I've been led to believe that IOT would be a full-time course with a minimum duration of 4 months, but this seems surprisingly long for someone with relatively extensive professional experience and who will not see 50 again.
I'm interested to find out what topics are covered on the course and, in particular, what physical standards are expected.
HFD
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Thanks c-bert, I thought they were .....
..... but it was very late ....
....and in the bar ....
....and she was "easy on the eye"..
..... but it was very late ....
....and in the bar ....
....and she was "easy on the eye"..
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SERE course is now 10 weeks long. With an extra week for some on the end for some.
Takes that long to get your No 5 uniform from the tailors at Cranditz.....
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SERE course is now 10 weeks long. With an extra week for some on the end for some.
Takes that long to get your No 5 uniform from the tailors at Cranditz.....
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Hugh,
In the words of my source, the course is the FULL 7 month course squeezed into 4 months. It includes all the pine pool work but may omit the weapons handling.
The problem, as RAFR FTRS, is simply that you will be a full-blown RAF officer. The VR(T) and RAuxAF are entirely different animals and wear a distinguishing badge. You, as RAFR OTOH will have full powers of command and control commensurate with your rank and in th eorder promulgated in the Air Force List albeit you rate junior to any regular with the same rank.
You will have to write proper defence writing like wot i did.
As for the wrong side of 50, remember you may serve to 60 and the commission is pensionable. You will also be fully qualified to do secondary duties and station duty officer.
In the words of my source, the course is the FULL 7 month course squeezed into 4 months. It includes all the pine pool work but may omit the weapons handling.
The problem, as RAFR FTRS, is simply that you will be a full-blown RAF officer. The VR(T) and RAuxAF are entirely different animals and wear a distinguishing badge. You, as RAFR OTOH will have full powers of command and control commensurate with your rank and in th eorder promulgated in the Air Force List albeit you rate junior to any regular with the same rank.
You will have to write proper defence writing like wot i did.
As for the wrong side of 50, remember you may serve to 60 and the commission is pensionable. You will also be fully qualified to do secondary duties and station duty officer.
...RAuxAF are entirely different animals and wear a distinguishing badge.
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Wrong. Only on their (our) number 1s. In any other uniform RAuxAF are indistinguishable from the regulars. Apart from the slight air of incompetence....
On the whole the RAuxAF get nowhere near the same level and depth of training as their regular counterparts. The Aeromed guys being the notable exception as they are already trained in their role in civvy street.
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You alleged that the RAuxAF are incompetent despite their sterling service not only in aeromed but across the board. We also sufferred a fatality last year.
Your comment is therefore both innaccurate and deeply insulting.
And trust me, I would call you it to your face.
Your comment is therefore both innaccurate and deeply insulting.
And trust me, I would call you it to your face.