Royal Navy - Do they have a future?
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Factoid: The Royal Marines are not in the Royal Navy as they are all part of the Naval Service.
So I do not believe that 17% of the boots on the ground are Royal Navy - that would be 1450 fish-heads!!!
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So I do not believe that 17% of the boots on the ground are Royal Navy - that would be 1450 fish-heads!!!
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1,530 RN personnel deployed in Afghanistan? Where? Doing what?
1,530 RN personnel deployed in Afghanistan? Where? Doing what?
Doing what? Keeping very sharp ear out for the Marine Nationale. Those no-claims bonuses don't earn themselves.
Oooh, Vauxhall Omega. You don't see many of those around these days...
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No Sir, you are incorrect. Please see...
Naval Service - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
This country doesn't have a Naval Service, but it does have the Royal Navy, of which the Royal Marines are an integral part.
Naval Service - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Startex. You Sir are also incorrect in your assumption:
The First Sea Lord is the professional head of the Royal Navy and the whole Naval Service. He also holds the title of Chief of Naval Staff and is known by the abbreviations 1SL/CNS.
Startex. You Sir are also incorrect in your assumption:
Well, 1SL is CGRMs boss. Endex.
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Interesting that in a Land locked country 17% of the deployed force at that time was RN.
Wonder what the figures were when 800 Sqn was there or when the RN ran the field Hospital?
Wonder what the figures were when 800 Sqn was there or when the RN ran the field Hospital?
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
Surely that proves that, if they're spending all their time in a landlocked country so far from the sea, they're in the wrong service, when the Army is looking to have to cut more Infantry regiments?
Fear the Reaper
Before you incorrectly try to correct any more much more experienced contributors than yourself, and out of courtesy to you as a new boy, I have quickly telephoned round six friends, ranking from Commander to full Admiral, and including a Major General Royal Marines, with a total in nearly 200 years of real "Naval Service" between them. Not one of them had ever heard of the expression the "Naval Service" being used in the context you describe!
So, to help you refrain from making any more wrong assertions, please have a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:General_disclaimer Then, having carefully digested that, have a good look at http://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/ , and the associated pages, which will provide you with a far better picture of what constitutes the Royal Navy than your friend Wiki ever will.
Jack
PS To be fair, neither I nor any of the six friends above had ever heard of Blue Öyster Cult!
Before you incorrectly try to correct any more much more experienced contributors than yourself, and out of courtesy to you as a new boy, I have quickly telephoned round six friends, ranking from Commander to full Admiral, and including a Major General Royal Marines, with a total in nearly 200 years of real "Naval Service" between them. Not one of them had ever heard of the expression the "Naval Service" being used in the context you describe!
So, to help you refrain from making any more wrong assertions, please have a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:General_disclaimer Then, having carefully digested that, have a good look at http://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/ , and the associated pages, which will provide you with a far better picture of what constitutes the Royal Navy than your friend Wiki ever will.
Jack
PS To be fair, neither I nor any of the six friends above had ever heard of Blue Öyster Cult!
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FtR,
the Royal Marines are part of the Royal Navy, we are the Royal Navy's 'sea soldier', they are our taxi service.
I was going to write a load of gumf about the Duke of Albany etc etc, but I'm too busy at the moment and it is a long time since I learnt the history as a Nod back in 91.
So here you are....fill your boots.
History of the Royal Marines : History & Ethos : Royal Marines Home
By the way, there is a hint in the URL.
Also, no such thing as a Naval force, it is Royal Navy.
The RAF had some small fast craft and some 'maritime' aeroplanes but they were part of Coastal Command, still not refered to as Naval Force.
the Royal Marines are part of the Royal Navy, we are the Royal Navy's 'sea soldier', they are our taxi service.
I was going to write a load of gumf about the Duke of Albany etc etc, but I'm too busy at the moment and it is a long time since I learnt the history as a Nod back in 91.
So here you are....fill your boots.
History of the Royal Marines : History & Ethos : Royal Marines Home
By the way, there is a hint in the URL.
Also, no such thing as a Naval force, it is Royal Navy.
The RAF had some small fast craft and some 'maritime' aeroplanes but they were part of Coastal Command, still not refered to as Naval Force.
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This thread was meant with tongue squarely in cheek, and in response to a similar thread debating the future of the RAF. To set matters straight, I am leaving and care little about who is victorious in the RAF/RN peeing competition.
By the time you have all finished, I fear there will be little left to rejoice in, and the only true victor will be the treasury. But feel free to quibble away as the clock ticks.
By the time you have all finished, I fear there will be little left to rejoice in, and the only true victor will be the treasury. But feel free to quibble away as the clock ticks.
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Do you have a copy of BR2 Queens Regulations dated 2007? Apparently the reference is in Chapter 1 Section 1 "Composition of the Naval Service"? An online copy is £22...
However, if you scroll down to Page 2 on this link Prelim
which is "consilidated edition" BR2 QRs you will see this reference.
You will find the words "Naval Service" used all over the internet see:
House of Commons - Armed Forces - Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence
Sorry matey, but you and your "Senior Navy Types" are quite wrong, wrong, wrong...
This is one of my 4 names on Pprune - I have been posting since 2000 (on mil forum and others - I use different names to reflect different experiences). So I make that 7yrs seniority on you, not that:
1. It makes any difference - there is no such thing as Pprune Seniority!
2. Do I look "bovverred"?
Finally, I was corrected about the Royal Navy and the Royal Marines and their relationship to all the rest last year in AFG by no other than a RM Major and Sgt Major. Not quite as lofty as your mates but they did take me to task on my General Service Knowledge of the RN and RMs - they only told me once,
ouch!
Reaper
Do you have a copy of BR2 Queens Regulations dated 2007? Apparently the reference is in Chapter 1 Section 1 "Composition of the Naval Service"? An online copy is £22...
However, if you scroll down to Page 2 on this link Prelim
which is "consilidated edition" BR2 QRs you will see this reference.
You will find the words "Naval Service" used all over the internet see:
House of Commons - Armed Forces - Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence
Sorry matey, but you and your "Senior Navy Types" are quite wrong, wrong, wrong...
Fear the Reaper
Before you incorrectly try to correct any more much more experienced contributors than yourself, and out of courtesy to you as a new boy, I have quickly telephoned round six friends, ranking from Commander to full Admiral, and including a Major General Royal Marines, with a total in nearly 200 years of real "Naval Service" between them. Not one of them had ever heard of the expression the "Naval Service" being used in the context you describe!
So, to help you refrain from making any more wrong assertions, please have a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:General_disclaimer Then, having carefully digested that, have a good look at http://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/ , and the associated pages, which will provide you with a far better picture of what constitutes the Royal Navy than your friend Wiki ever will.
Jack
PS To be fair, neither I nor any of the six friends above had ever heard of Blue Öyster Cult!
Before you incorrectly try to correct any more much more experienced contributors than yourself, and out of courtesy to you as a new boy, I have quickly telephoned round six friends, ranking from Commander to full Admiral, and including a Major General Royal Marines, with a total in nearly 200 years of real "Naval Service" between them. Not one of them had ever heard of the expression the "Naval Service" being used in the context you describe!
So, to help you refrain from making any more wrong assertions, please have a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:General_disclaimer Then, having carefully digested that, have a good look at http://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/ , and the associated pages, which will provide you with a far better picture of what constitutes the Royal Navy than your friend Wiki ever will.
Jack
PS To be fair, neither I nor any of the six friends above had ever heard of Blue Öyster Cult!
1. It makes any difference - there is no such thing as Pprune Seniority!
2. Do I look "bovverred"?
Finally, I was corrected about the Royal Navy and the Royal Marines and their relationship to all the rest last year in AFG by no other than a RM Major and Sgt Major. Not quite as lofty as your mates but they did take me to task on my General Service Knowledge of the RN and RMs - they only told me once,
ouch!Reaper
Oh dear! So we're dealing with a split personality who allegedly uses different names to reflect different experiences ......
Well, observing that with your very low post count you are obviously not only very inexperienced, but very junior, in your Fear the Reaper role, and since I understand that one must be gentle with those unfortunate enough to have personality disorders, I'll be very gentle and simply remind you of an old adage, namely that QRs are for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men.
It's really rather sad that you have so completely missed the point that I and the other posters were making about where the Royal Marines actually do fit in to the scheme of things, irrespective of what you gullibly "swallowed" from two Royals.
Jack
PS You may be thrilled at having a new thread started, guessing about your alter egos, but you will probably be less thrilled by the responses ...
Well, observing that with your very low post count you are obviously not only very inexperienced, but very junior, in your Fear the Reaper role, and since I understand that one must be gentle with those unfortunate enough to have personality disorders, I'll be very gentle and simply remind you of an old adage, namely that QRs are for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men.
It's really rather sad that you have so completely missed the point that I and the other posters were making about where the Royal Marines actually do fit in to the scheme of things, irrespective of what you gullibly "swallowed" from two Royals.
Jack
PS You may be thrilled at having a new thread started, guessing about your alter egos, but you will probably be less thrilled by the responses ...
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We depend on Sea-bound trade!
You mean, Britain is dependent upon imported manufactured goods!
UK would be better off the RN maintained a blockade to keep most imports out.
You mean, Britain is dependent upon imported manufactured goods!
UK would be better off the RN maintained a blockade to keep most imports out.