Ross Kemp in Afghanistan
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Having been heavily involved with the Falklands i have attended the various functions last year. Wont be doing it again. Full of teary middle aged men reminising about how they deal with the aftermath of war while forgetting the fact that they did bugger all but sit around and whinge.The more the remf the more the tears.Alien world to me now as you are to the rest of the nation.
Lou,
As one who went Down South in 82, I feel your comments are a crock of s**t. I don't wish to know what your contribution was in 82, now would I regale you with what I was up to at the time. Its irrelevant. As for the gathering at Horseguards Parade in June.......yes there were tears, but they were for those that didn't come back...something you wouldn't understand. I guess some did more than sit around and whinge!
Hope all is well in your alien world.......the service surely misses the like of you.
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Having been heavily involved with the Falklands i have attended the various functions last year. Wont be doing it again. Full of teary middle aged men reminising about how they deal with the aftermath of war while forgetting the fact that they did bugger all but sit around and whinge.The more the remf the more the tears.Alien world to me now as you are to the rest of the nation.
Lou,
As one who went Down South in 82, I feel your comments are a crock of s**t. I don't wish to know what your contribution was in 82, now would I regale you with what I was up to at the time. Its irrelevant. As for the gathering at Horseguards Parade in June.......yes there were tears, but they were for those that didn't come back...something you wouldn't understand. I guess some did more than sit around and whinge!
Hope all is well in your alien world.......the service surely misses the like of you.
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As a non military type and never likely to be at my tender age, this is probably the only type of thread I feel qualified to participate in.
Anyway, I think the vast majority of the U.K. population view the 'Forces' with admiration, the problem is most haven't a clue as to what you do.
This program is excellent in educating the great unwashed, myself included.
More of the same please.
Stay safe.
Anyway, I think the vast majority of the U.K. population view the 'Forces' with admiration, the problem is most haven't a clue as to what you do.
This program is excellent in educating the great unwashed, myself included.
More of the same please.
Stay safe.
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I have a friend on a front line Jungly squadron in Afghanistan. I was disappointed when he reported back that Ross Kemp was a total embuggerance, however he is entitled to his view. I thought I'd watch the programme and caught it on Sky 2 last night. I must say that I agree with all the positive comments made so far about Ross in both his empathy and understanding of military matters but also how the programme has yet again thrust the issue into the public domain.
As this commitment is due to be for 10 years, is there a risk that news from Afghanistan will become mundane? I believe there is, given the fickle society in which we live. This programme has brought a fresh prospective to the campaign and I applaud it. Lets hope that the TV people holding the purse strings to such documentaries don't lose interest and stop funding them in future.
As for Ross being an embuggerance, well maybe he was, maybe he wasn't, but the key point is still that he is doing a lot of good back here that might not be easy to appreciate/understand when sat in the sandpit.
PS - All I had was Kate Adie in GW1. She spent a night at our camp in the desert and after washing her smalls, hung them out on a line for the boys to see. Good girl
As this commitment is due to be for 10 years, is there a risk that news from Afghanistan will become mundane? I believe there is, given the fickle society in which we live. This programme has brought a fresh prospective to the campaign and I applaud it. Lets hope that the TV people holding the purse strings to such documentaries don't lose interest and stop funding them in future.
As for Ross being an embuggerance, well maybe he was, maybe he wasn't, but the key point is still that he is doing a lot of good back here that might not be easy to appreciate/understand when sat in the sandpit.
PS - All I had was Kate Adie in GW1. She spent a night at our camp in the desert and after washing her smalls, hung them out on a line for the boys to see. Good girl
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All I had was Kate Adie in GW1. She spent a night at our camp in the desert and after washing her smalls, hung them out on a line for the boys to see. Good girl
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But this was before we had females on our Sdqn front line! And, we were in Saudi where the local men all held hands and you rarely saw a woman under the age of 60!
I guess that the whole experience was akin to 'Beer Goggles' and the well known theory of how women look better after each pint!
I guess that the whole experience was akin to 'Beer Goggles' and the well known theory of how women look better after each pint!
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Mutley,
I dont see how you equate my civic morals or responsibilty to this thread.
I dont think that the forces should be fighting a war for labour. Equally I am ambivelant to their predicament contractually as a profession but not as people. As people I have great respect for the talents in our forces.
The bottom line is that your world and society is more and more removed from the civilian world and an unfortunate side effect of that is apathy and disinterest. Not a dig just a fact. If you take offence at that then you are locked in a world of self justification.
Strictly Jungley.
It is not possible to grieve for someone you dont or didnt know, only empathsie. I saw many men in tears on that parade. Why im not sure. They didnt know the dead, nor did they have traumaic experiences,they were just part of a campaign.
It was all part of middle aged mauldling. Show respect and empathy but not all blubbing away a la Pincess Di hysteria.
It was a good day out but lets keep it in perspective.
I dont see how you equate my civic morals or responsibilty to this thread.
I dont think that the forces should be fighting a war for labour. Equally I am ambivelant to their predicament contractually as a profession but not as people. As people I have great respect for the talents in our forces.
The bottom line is that your world and society is more and more removed from the civilian world and an unfortunate side effect of that is apathy and disinterest. Not a dig just a fact. If you take offence at that then you are locked in a world of self justification.
Strictly Jungley.
It is not possible to grieve for someone you dont or didnt know, only empathsie. I saw many men in tears on that parade. Why im not sure. They didnt know the dead, nor did they have traumaic experiences,they were just part of a campaign.
It was all part of middle aged mauldling. Show respect and empathy but not all blubbing away a la Pincess Di hysteria.
It was a good day out but lets keep it in perspective.
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Lou
I am not qualified in the world of counselling but I would suggest you might need some, and definitely more than those able to weep might for you seem to be in denial.
Wasnt having a direct dig at you about morals but merely stating that there is still a feeling (seems common in the Armed Forces) that people can make a difference.
Its odd but I usually get a train home and tonight decided for the first time to wear my uniform, why? Who knows? I guess I am becoming tired of pretending to be a civvy, something it is now obvious I am not!
I am not qualified in the world of counselling but I would suggest you might need some, and definitely more than those able to weep might for you seem to be in denial.
Wasnt having a direct dig at you about morals but merely stating that there is still a feeling (seems common in the Armed Forces) that people can make a difference.
Its odd but I usually get a train home and tonight decided for the first time to wear my uniform, why? Who knows? I guess I am becoming tired of pretending to be a civvy, something it is now obvious I am not!
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Mutley,
To have a different perspective or opinion does not require counselling.
I did not create the situation only pointing it out.
I dont do weepy nor do I like the divide.
You would not have to court the country's respect if the govt showed you some. It would come as national reaction. just like the states.
I used to travel in uniform, more should. It would be the start of reversing the alienisation i mentioned before.
I am able to seperate my emotion , false or otherwise from my personnal gestures to indivduals like holding an eludeid bzz flight until the herc arrived. 2 hrs 55 discretion, programme fecked, tea with hat no buscuits for me. That was my personnal gesture to the poor buggers going on leave because I know what a ****hole is is real time.
I still dont suscribe to organised weeping or gratitude. The reality is far removed and in the majority and has to evolve back.
To have a different perspective or opinion does not require counselling.
I did not create the situation only pointing it out.
I dont do weepy nor do I like the divide.
You would not have to court the country's respect if the govt showed you some. It would come as national reaction. just like the states.
I used to travel in uniform, more should. It would be the start of reversing the alienisation i mentioned before.
I am able to seperate my emotion , false or otherwise from my personnal gestures to indivduals like holding an eludeid bzz flight until the herc arrived. 2 hrs 55 discretion, programme fecked, tea with hat no buscuits for me. That was my personnal gesture to the poor buggers going on leave because I know what a ****hole is is real time.
I still dont suscribe to organised weeping or gratitude. The reality is far removed and in the majority and has to evolve back.
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have a friend on a front line Jungly squadron in Afghanistan. I was disappointed when he reported back that Ross Kemp was a total embuggerance, however he is entitled to his view.
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I only have his word for it matey. (Has on occasions been known to be a bit of a b$$s%%%r) !
Incidentally, when was the documentary filmed? The Mk4's were in country after summer if I recall correctly.
Incidentally, when was the documentary filmed? The Mk4's were in country after summer if I recall correctly.
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Lou,
Quite frankly I find you and your misguided comments obnoxious! How dare you assume that some were grieving and remembering people that they didn't know. Grieving is very personal. Princess Di Hysteria? You insult people who were there. How the **** do you claim to know what they did or didn't experience?
You are a buffoon! Who as somebody has already stated needs counselling, at the very least, but you would possibly think that is below you.
Do us all a favour..............keep your moronic comments to yourself.
"It was a good day out but lets keep it in perspective. "
You worthless piece of ......................
SJ
Quite frankly I find you and your misguided comments obnoxious! How dare you assume that some were grieving and remembering people that they didn't know. Grieving is very personal. Princess Di Hysteria? You insult people who were there. How the **** do you claim to know what they did or didn't experience?
You are a buffoon! Who as somebody has already stated needs counselling, at the very least, but you would possibly think that is below you.
Do us all a favour..............keep your moronic comments to yourself.
"It was a good day out but lets keep it in perspective. "
You worthless piece of ......................
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Hmm. What to say...
I'm very proud to be able to wear the uniform of an RAF officer every day I go to work. Although I've been denied the opportunity to serve OOA, despite repeated requests, I believe that every day I do something positive to defend my country. And that gives me a buzz.
I'm proud to be able to serve, even though millions of people don't care about me or why I do what I do. I'm proud that even though my career matters c0ck-all to my desk officer, I still feel that I'm making a difference.
I'm gutted that I've lost friends in the sandpits. I'm heartily disgusted at the way the govt treats HM Armed Forces. And I'm irritated that little is done to educate the public about what we do, day in, day out, without asking for any reward other than knowing that we're doing a good thing. Whatever people think of Ross Kemp, he should be thanked for enduring what our chaps are enduring, because it's showing people back home the hellishness of life in Afghanistan for a British soldier.
Everyone in the Armed Forces - and outside - has opinions about what we do. I'm happy to be able to voice an informed opinion; others might want to reconsider saying anything before they know the facts; some might even consider staying quiet altogether. But no matter what their opinion is, they are all lucky to live in a country where their freedom of speech is defended heartily by the Armed Forces.
And, you know what? That's what I'm proudest of. That every day I go to work to defend our rights; I might not agree with some of the posters here, but I'm proud to be able to serve them selflessly and without question, because that's what I've wanted to do since I was a boy. I wonder whether they have such satisfaction in life.
And what pi$$es me off the most? That the only way I can earn a decent living and have a shot at advancing in life is by leaving the RAF. But whatever happens to me post-PVR, I'll take with me the mindset, respect and discipline that I've learned as a Serving officer of the finest Air Force in the world; and, by God, I'll be a good citizen and ever-thankful for the selflessly hard work, dedication and sacrifice of our Armed Forces.
I'm very proud to be able to wear the uniform of an RAF officer every day I go to work. Although I've been denied the opportunity to serve OOA, despite repeated requests, I believe that every day I do something positive to defend my country. And that gives me a buzz.
I'm proud to be able to serve, even though millions of people don't care about me or why I do what I do. I'm proud that even though my career matters c0ck-all to my desk officer, I still feel that I'm making a difference.
I'm gutted that I've lost friends in the sandpits. I'm heartily disgusted at the way the govt treats HM Armed Forces. And I'm irritated that little is done to educate the public about what we do, day in, day out, without asking for any reward other than knowing that we're doing a good thing. Whatever people think of Ross Kemp, he should be thanked for enduring what our chaps are enduring, because it's showing people back home the hellishness of life in Afghanistan for a British soldier.
Everyone in the Armed Forces - and outside - has opinions about what we do. I'm happy to be able to voice an informed opinion; others might want to reconsider saying anything before they know the facts; some might even consider staying quiet altogether. But no matter what their opinion is, they are all lucky to live in a country where their freedom of speech is defended heartily by the Armed Forces.
And, you know what? That's what I'm proudest of. That every day I go to work to defend our rights; I might not agree with some of the posters here, but I'm proud to be able to serve them selflessly and without question, because that's what I've wanted to do since I was a boy. I wonder whether they have such satisfaction in life.
And what pi$$es me off the most? That the only way I can earn a decent living and have a shot at advancing in life is by leaving the RAF. But whatever happens to me post-PVR, I'll take with me the mindset, respect and discipline that I've learned as a Serving officer of the finest Air Force in the world; and, by God, I'll be a good citizen and ever-thankful for the selflessly hard work, dedication and sacrifice of our Armed Forces.
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As a civilian I watched the programme with avid interest, along with a fellow ppruner (who's in the forces) who was able to answer my 'stupid' questions on various points raised that I didn't understand.
Like many on Civvy Street, I too have friends serving out there, both in and out of the forces, and it was certainly an eye opener to me to see (as it were) with my own eyes their previous stories brought to life through a visual medium.
Like Ross Kemp, I was also shocked at the change in the 18yr old boy after a matter of weeks - brings to mind the adage of 'go out a boy, return a man'.
I've seen a few of Ross Kemp's 'gang' programmes and he continues to go up in my estimation.
Am presently looking forwards to next Monday's episode.
Like many on Civvy Street, I too have friends serving out there, both in and out of the forces, and it was certainly an eye opener to me to see (as it were) with my own eyes their previous stories brought to life through a visual medium.
Like Ross Kemp, I was also shocked at the change in the 18yr old boy after a matter of weeks - brings to mind the adage of 'go out a boy, return a man'.
I've seen a few of Ross Kemp's 'gang' programmes and he continues to go up in my estimation.
Am presently looking forwards to next Monday's episode.
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Is there really much point in getting upset by Nik Nak, et al?
Recognition of the work done by HM Forces wasn't appreciated during my time in the Mob, (Simtech, 1961 - 1983), why do we expect today to be any different?
My last experience was just before leaving Lossie (lived in MQ in Elgin) when a civvie neighbour informed me that the only reason I wore a uniform was ..."because you couldn't hold down a real job in civvie street".
Rather than snot him there and then, I took him to the Jag Sim Centre one evening and showed him what we were about, then strapped him in and sent him aloft, for a VERY short time.
Next step was to get a real pilot in the box for a demo...exit one very chastened civvie with a renewed appreciation of what went into permitting him to sleep soundly at night.
Really, the people who need to know how to appreciate the Forces already do so, why allow the others to upset your equilibrium? You all know how needed you all are, we ex-service all know, who else matters?
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Recognition of the work done by HM Forces wasn't appreciated during my time in the Mob, (Simtech, 1961 - 1983), why do we expect today to be any different?
My last experience was just before leaving Lossie (lived in MQ in Elgin) when a civvie neighbour informed me that the only reason I wore a uniform was ..."because you couldn't hold down a real job in civvie street".
Rather than snot him there and then, I took him to the Jag Sim Centre one evening and showed him what we were about, then strapped him in and sent him aloft, for a VERY short time.
Next step was to get a real pilot in the box for a demo...exit one very chastened civvie with a renewed appreciation of what went into permitting him to sleep soundly at night.
Really, the people who need to know how to appreciate the Forces already do so, why allow the others to upset your equilibrium? You all know how needed you all are, we ex-service all know, who else matters?
Kind regards,
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Multyfour..sorry should have hadded a bit..
Register, then it links to a rapidshare download of 1st program.
But see someone has a link to Youtube so probably easier to view, although the docs4you will be better quality.
Register, then it links to a rapidshare download of 1st program.
But see someone has a link to Youtube so probably easier to view, although the docs4you will be better quality.
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Jungly,
I havent insulted people who were there. I am critical of the teary crap middle aged men indulge in when they have no reason too apart from being nostalgic middle aged men . Unfortunately they are being nostalgic about other peoples achievements. When I see a remf clerk in the RE crying over hs memories of Goose green when he wasnt even there I cringe at the bandwagon bullsh1t Im witnessing. The less warry and soldierlike the person was in 1982 the more nostalgic they are.Crap hats is the vernacular I believe.
I served in NI 3 times , FI and went on to work as a contractor in Africa for three years. I should be bursting into tears everytime Im ordered..bollocks
I know what they went thru because I was right next to them throughout the campaign. I know they were caught up in institutionalised middleaged grief because I was again right next to them on the parade. The second one I was on , the first being in 1982. So you see I do know what Im talking about.
Quite frankly I find your institutionalised attitude quite obnoxious.
Try thinking for yourself intead of a mass organism.
Like me you are probably mil or ex mil but unlike me you are probably not a sucessful airline pilot after a career of hands on guns. So who is the one who needs the counseling. Ive moved on You clearly havent.
PS just read your profile RN. A bit less crying and a bit more marching practice and well be getting somewhere.
I havent insulted people who were there. I am critical of the teary crap middle aged men indulge in when they have no reason too apart from being nostalgic middle aged men . Unfortunately they are being nostalgic about other peoples achievements. When I see a remf clerk in the RE crying over hs memories of Goose green when he wasnt even there I cringe at the bandwagon bullsh1t Im witnessing. The less warry and soldierlike the person was in 1982 the more nostalgic they are.Crap hats is the vernacular I believe.
I served in NI 3 times , FI and went on to work as a contractor in Africa for three years. I should be bursting into tears everytime Im ordered..bollocks
I know what they went thru because I was right next to them throughout the campaign. I know they were caught up in institutionalised middleaged grief because I was again right next to them on the parade. The second one I was on , the first being in 1982. So you see I do know what Im talking about.
Quite frankly I find your institutionalised attitude quite obnoxious.
Try thinking for yourself intead of a mass organism.
Like me you are probably mil or ex mil but unlike me you are probably not a sucessful airline pilot after a career of hands on guns. So who is the one who needs the counseling. Ive moved on You clearly havent.
PS just read your profile RN. A bit less crying and a bit more marching practice and well be getting somewhere.
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Crikey, first Like Minded and now this simpleton, does this forum have an ignore funtion? These idiots seem to come in waves.
I don't feel that I am at a sufficient career level to read the posts of a 'sucessful airline pilot'. I probably wouldnt understand such a 'great man'.
All I can see are the ramblings of a pompous troll, so i must be missing something here.
I don't feel that I am at a sufficient career level to read the posts of a 'sucessful airline pilot'. I probably wouldnt understand such a 'great man'.
All I can see are the ramblings of a pompous troll, so i must be missing something here.