UK considers alternatives to Nimrod R.1 upgrade
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"Port beam, Foxtrot, 10 o'clock."
Followed moments later by 4 Foxtrot, one Don.
We were at 35k.
One of the last times the Sovs did a surface rotation.
Gents both.
Boeing Press Release
Boeing Awarded EPX Concept Refinement Contract
ST. LOUIS, Feb. 07, 2008 -- The Boeing Company [NYSE: BA] yesterday was awarded a $1.25 million concept refinement contract for the U.S. Navy's EPX program. EPX is a manned airborne intelligence, surveillance, reconnaissance and targeting aircraft that will replace the Navy's EP-3 signals intelligence (SIGINT) platform.
As part of the five-month contract, Boeing will work with partner Argon ST to help define program requirements and develop initial system concepts for the EPX multi-intelligence system. Argon ST, based in Fairfax, Va., is a leading designer and developer of SIGINT sensors and information operations systems.
"We're happy for the opportunity to work on the EPX program and believe Boeing is well qualified to help the Navy define a capable and cost-effective solution that capitalizes on existing investments," said Paul Summers, Boeing director of airborne SIGINT campaigns. "The EPX will operate in concert with the P-8A Poseidon, and as the prime contractor for that program we can leverage logistics, maintenance, support, training and other relevant data."
During the concept refinement phase Boeing and Argon also will review requirements and determine potential cost, schedule and technical risks; analyze operational scenarios and assess achievability; develop risk mitigation plans; identify opportunities to leverage investments in Navy, DoD or other non-developmental item programs; and identify opportunities to reduce system life-cycle costs.
Following completion of concept refinement, the Navy will solicit proposals and select contractors for the technology development phase of the program. The Navy is expected to downselect to one contractor for the EPX system development and demonstration phase in late 2011 or early 2012.
ST. LOUIS, Feb. 07, 2008 -- The Boeing Company [NYSE: BA] yesterday was awarded a $1.25 million concept refinement contract for the U.S. Navy's EPX program. EPX is a manned airborne intelligence, surveillance, reconnaissance and targeting aircraft that will replace the Navy's EP-3 signals intelligence (SIGINT) platform.
As part of the five-month contract, Boeing will work with partner Argon ST to help define program requirements and develop initial system concepts for the EPX multi-intelligence system. Argon ST, based in Fairfax, Va., is a leading designer and developer of SIGINT sensors and information operations systems.
"We're happy for the opportunity to work on the EPX program and believe Boeing is well qualified to help the Navy define a capable and cost-effective solution that capitalizes on existing investments," said Paul Summers, Boeing director of airborne SIGINT campaigns. "The EPX will operate in concert with the P-8A Poseidon, and as the prime contractor for that program we can leverage logistics, maintenance, support, training and other relevant data."
During the concept refinement phase Boeing and Argon also will review requirements and determine potential cost, schedule and technical risks; analyze operational scenarios and assess achievability; develop risk mitigation plans; identify opportunities to leverage investments in Navy, DoD or other non-developmental item programs; and identify opportunities to reduce system life-cycle costs.
Following completion of concept refinement, the Navy will solicit proposals and select contractors for the technology development phase of the program. The Navy is expected to downselect to one contractor for the EPX system development and demonstration phase in late 2011 or early 2012.
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Boeing Awarded EPX Concept Refinement Contract
ST. LOUIS, Feb. 07, 2008 -- The Boeing Company [NYSE: BA] yesterday was awarded a $1.25 million concept refinement contract for the U.S. Navy's EPX program. EPX is a manned airborne intelligence, surveillance, reconnaissance and targeting aircraft that will replace the Navy's EP-3 signals intelligence (SIGINT) platform.
ST. LOUIS, Feb. 07, 2008 -- The Boeing Company [NYSE: BA] yesterday was awarded a $1.25 million concept refinement contract for the U.S. Navy's EPX program. EPX is a manned airborne intelligence, surveillance, reconnaissance and targeting aircraft that will replace the Navy's EP-3 signals intelligence (SIGINT) platform.
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...e-concept.html
More debate at:
http://www.eureferendum.com/forum/vi...r=asc&start=30
and
http://warships1discussionboards.yuk...es.html?page=1
http://www.eureferendum.com/forum/vi...r=asc&start=30
and
http://warships1discussionboards.yuk...es.html?page=1
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Surely that is what the previous 87 entries have been saying...?
And, no, I don't know anything, and neither have I read all 87 previous entries - but it might be worth you doing so, you will probably find an answer to your question??
Surely that is what the previous 87 entries have been saying...?
And, no, I don't know anything, and neither have I read all 87 previous entries - but it might be worth you doing so, you will probably find an answer to your question??
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While all this is highly interesting, remember that the A300 and A310 are both well out of production, so if either of those were chosen, they'd have to be well-used second-hand ones - and both designs date from the '70s.
But there seems to be nothing available "off the shelf" for the duties you're talking about, and any conversions are going to take many a moon to go through all the to-ing and fro-ing that seems to be "re-equipment procedure".
Gloomy picture, innit ?
But there seems to be nothing available "off the shelf" for the duties you're talking about, and any conversions are going to take many a moon to go through all the to-ing and fro-ing that seems to be "re-equipment procedure".
Gloomy picture, innit ?
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R1 Replacement
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Thats what I'd heard. At least thats left the 12 MRA4s alone (as it would have been 9 allowing for the option of 3 HELIX conversions). That said any idea how 12 MRA4s will do the work of 15 MR2s given that the curent commitment is for 18?
Thats what I'd heard. At least thats left the 12 MRA4s alone (as it would have been 9 allowing for the option of 3 HELIX conversions). That said any idea how 12 MRA4s will do the work of 15 MR2s given that the curent commitment is for 18?
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Dragging the thread back up from the past, looks like the local papers are starting to carry the RJ story (even though it contains a few errors)
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And the MoD confirmation at the end.
I hear there are still a few wrinkles in the plans though due to what the UK want to do with them and what the US want to let the UK do with them.
And the words 'capability gap' appearing due to delivery timescales.
this is lincolnshire- news, entertainment, jobs, homes and cars
And the MoD confirmation at the end.
I hear there are still a few wrinkles in the plans though due to what the UK want to do with them and what the US want to let the UK do with them.
And the words 'capability gap' appearing due to delivery timescales.
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bit-t, hush your mouth. Capability gap indeed. When the CinC, now CAS, dismissed CG, he said we now take capability holidays.
A gap can exist and remain whereas a holiday . . .
Yes, I thought it b0ll0cks at the time and still do.
A gap can exist and remain whereas a holiday . . .
Yes, I thought it b0ll0cks at the time and still do.
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Well the confirmation of replacement airframe for R1 was pretty much bolstered today by one of the JOB advertisments appearing for the civil service.
They were advertising for someone to supervise the out of service of the MR2 and R1.
Still no official announcement though
Apparently the run down of the R1 and replacement with RJ are being actioned as separate projects to avoid concerns with civil service issues e.g. Tupe etc. Also worth noting that a lot of people in one of the support units were offered early release by next April today...totally unconnected of course.
Edit: The early release scheme is the current MoD civil service attempt at reducing numbers by offering early retirement and voluntary redundancy to people.
They were advertising for someone to supervise the out of service of the MR2 and R1.
Still no official announcement though
Apparently the run down of the R1 and replacement with RJ are being actioned as separate projects to avoid concerns with civil service issues e.g. Tupe etc. Also worth noting that a lot of people in one of the support units were offered early release by next April today...totally unconnected of course.
Edit: The early release scheme is the current MoD civil service attempt at reducing numbers by offering early retirement and voluntary redundancy to people.
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The Government of the United Kingdom has requested …………U.S. government and contractor representative technical and logistics personnel services….
Implementation of this proposed sale will not require the assignment of any additional U.S. Government or contractor representatives to the United Kingdom.
Given the announcement that UK staff can apply for early retirement, effective next year, does this mean the existing aircraft are already largely supported by US staff and/or support is to be carried out at a US base?
By acquiring this capability, the United Kingdom will be able to provide the same level of protection for its own forces and those of the United States.
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How the hell hell is this cheaper than converting another 3 nimrods to MRA4 airframe standard and bunging the helix systems in instead of the MRAish stuff. Got to be doable for less than a billion dollars.
Anyone know the unit cost of the MRA4 right now? Suspect between that and wiring all the shiny spangly new stuff into a shiny spangly new computer-driven airframe you'd be knocking on the door of a billion $... and it would take about a million years!