Illustrious heads to sea - with an airgroup
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"After the Missouri Silkworm incident, The USN would not trust the RN to wave a hanky around. Command was told in no uncertain terms that to allow a Bruiser inside the group was inexcusable. Much spin was put on this, but in truth it was a buggers muddle."
Well at least the RN managed to shoot down the Silkworn
and not shoot the Missouri like the USS Ship did !
Maybe the RN should leave the defence to the US Navy to
ensure the enemy gets a hit next time !
"After the Missouri Silkworm incident, The USN would not trust the RN to wave a hanky around. Command was told in no uncertain terms that to allow a Bruiser inside the group was inexcusable. Much spin was put on this, but in truth it was a buggers muddle."
Well at least the RN managed to shoot down the Silkworn
and not shoot the Missouri like the USS Ship did !
Maybe the RN should leave the defence to the US Navy to
ensure the enemy gets a hit next time !
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It seems a refrigeration problem has caused Illustrious to head back to Pompey
http://http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/...6908-20295569/
http://http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/...6908-20295569/
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What, you mean its not like in the RN recruiting ad where "Ginge" nips downstairs and twists a couple of wires together to fix it? Have they run out of Bodge Tape then?
The horror, G&Ts with no ice.
The horror, G&Ts with no ice.
# 14 "Got the awning for the quarterdeck finished in time for the cocktails tour!"
#26 "Gave me a bit of a fright there - thought you were going to say the cocktail awning on the Qtr-deck had collapsed"
plus "I doubt if the RN were deployed in the desert they could hit a camels arse with a shovel" (#30 in the associated thread on the
need for a Navy)
Oh dear! Perhaps these posts should be transferred to the Medical & Health forum - Buoy15 has obviously got serious issues regarding our dark blue colleagues in general and quarterdeck awnings in particular!
Jack
PS The more socially aware will know, but I suspect that ILLUSTRIOUS doesn't actually have a proper quarterdeck awning!
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Sorry Jack
Have touched either a soft or sore spot
Must have been that "hot bunking" or perhaps "double bunking" over the years
No wonder you feel sore, or are you getting soft dear?
Have touched either a soft or sore spot
Must have been that "hot bunking" or perhaps "double bunking" over the years
No wonder you feel sore, or are you getting soft dear?
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Well, it is a little exaggeration to say that intercepting the silkworm after it had already passed by Missouri [having missed] is "saving them".
More like "closing the barn door after the cow is gone".
Just googled that, can you enlighten us as to how the RN messed up? All I can find is how HMS Gloucester saved the Missouri after the US Escort fired on the Missouri's chaff and even managed to strafe the battleship that it was escorting. Did the RN allow the silkworm to get to close in the first place?
Well, it is a little exaggeration to say that intercepting the silkworm after it had already passed by Missouri [having missed] is "saving them".
More like "closing the barn door after the cow is gone".
It would appear that the so called broken fridge is the ship's main refrigerated storage, fully stocked for a lengthy deployment. Had they carried on regardless there would be headlines about food getting thrown away, or contractors being flown out to fix it? Don't you just love the media?
Would you rather she deployed with a known fault that would need fixing later, or deal with it before getting to far from the UK, and deploy fully operational?
Widger/timzsta
According to a book published in 1992, the Silkworm was heading for the survey vessel come MCM command platform HMS Herald. I believe the book was written by Ben Brown and Jeremy Bowen, and called All Necessary Means. They also speculated that the launch may have been detected by the two O Class SSKs acting in and intelligence gathering role.
Just how much damage would a Silkworm do to a WW2 Battleship anyway?
Would you rather she deployed with a known fault that would need fixing later, or deal with it before getting to far from the UK, and deploy fully operational?
Widger/timzsta
According to a book published in 1992, the Silkworm was heading for the survey vessel come MCM command platform HMS Herald. I believe the book was written by Ben Brown and Jeremy Bowen, and called All Necessary Means. They also speculated that the launch may have been detected by the two O Class SSKs acting in and intelligence gathering role.
Just how much damage would a Silkworm do to a WW2 Battleship anyway?
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That might hurt!
WEBF OS details for Silkworm:
Length: 6.60 metre
Diameter: 0.76 metre
Wingspan: 2.4 metre
Weight: 2,300 kg
Warhead: 513 kg shape charged high-explosive
Propulsion: One liquid rocket engine and one solid rocket booster
Speed: Mach 0.8
Range: 70 km
Cruising altitude: 100~300m (early models); <20m (later models)
Guidance: Inertial + active conical scanning terminal guidance radar (early models); or inertial + monopulse active radar (later models)
Single-shot kill probability: 70%
Even if it failed to go off, a 2.3 tonne mass arriving at M .8 would seriously spoil your day! However, with a PK of .7 you've actually got a reasonable chance of a miss with a relative minor level of countermeasures.
Length: 6.60 metre
Diameter: 0.76 metre
Wingspan: 2.4 metre
Weight: 2,300 kg
Warhead: 513 kg shape charged high-explosive
Propulsion: One liquid rocket engine and one solid rocket booster
Speed: Mach 0.8
Range: 70 km
Cruising altitude: 100~300m (early models); <20m (later models)
Guidance: Inertial + active conical scanning terminal guidance radar (early models); or inertial + monopulse active radar (later models)
Single-shot kill probability: 70%
Even if it failed to go off, a 2.3 tonne mass arriving at M .8 would seriously spoil your day! However, with a PK of .7 you've actually got a reasonable chance of a miss with a relative minor level of countermeasures.
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A "fridge too far?"
Doesn't the Navy carry Engineers then?
The world is full of cruise ships, most of them a lot bigger and with far bigger fridge plants that don't have to leg it to the nearest port because something so trivial as the fridge plant is rooted.
All this talk of fridges the size of bungalows is disingenious, regardless of how big the cold room is the actual fridge plant consists of relatively small components. Even if the complete compressor needed replacing, so what? In the real world the faulty component would be sent to next port of call, easier in this case though, must be terribly convenient having a big flat bit to land helicoptors on.
Personally reckon the Chief Thief's department dropped a major b*****k and simply didn't load the stuff in the first place....
The world is full of cruise ships, most of them a lot bigger and with far bigger fridge plants that don't have to leg it to the nearest port because something so trivial as the fridge plant is rooted.
All this talk of fridges the size of bungalows is disingenious, regardless of how big the cold room is the actual fridge plant consists of relatively small components. Even if the complete compressor needed replacing, so what? In the real world the faulty component would be sent to next port of call, easier in this case though, must be terribly convenient having a big flat bit to land helicoptors on.
Personally reckon the Chief Thief's department dropped a major b*****k and simply didn't load the stuff in the first place....
