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Old 9th Jan 2008, 15:21
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Shackletons

My query is with regard to the Avro Shackleton and it's ability to fly with 3 engines feathered?
Is this true and if so does it lose height by doing so?
Can any ex shack jockeys tell me?
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One turning two burning on a Mark 3 Phase3?
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One Griffon, 2 Vipers? Never tried it, but a downward path I suspect. At Max TOW the loss of a Viper or a Griffon meant that things were critical. The aircrew manual contained little performance information and ignorance was bliss I suspect!! Certainly no mention of Perf A in the late 60s. At light weight it may have been a possibility but I doubt it - 2 Vipers did not equal one Griffon and a Mk3 was heavier than a Mk2 and barely climbed on 2 Griffons at circuit weights
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Well, the SAAF Mk3 Pelican 16 ended up on it's belly in the African desert when both starboard Griffons quit within 10 mins of each other, on it's way from Cape Town to RIAT back in the early 1990's.

So, I guess 3 out is definately not going to defy Newtons laws......
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Not quite a Shackleton, but Avro Lincoln RF346 steaming down the runway at TFU Defford, just 8 feet off the deck, on one engine.


(c) Royal Radar Establishment (From Lincoln At War)

(Apologies for the poor quality of scan)
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On the SAAF Griffon, it's because at least one set of Contra rotating props refused to feather creating massive amounts of drag.

I have seen a picture of a (presumably very lightweight!) doing a flyby on one engine in at an airshow in the 50's but don't have a copy of it to hand.
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In Chris Ashworth's excellent book "The Shackleton" ISBN 0-946627-16-9 page 33, picture of a Mk 2 at Farnborough doing a flyby on one. Very much the party piece and one could come to grief as apparently happened at Gib. If any Mk. could have maintained height on one it MIGHT have been a Mk 1 freshly minted, but I very much doubt it. QFIs' on MOTU used to do a one-off demo 2 engined circuit on the Mk 1 during the conversion phase.
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One engine Flybys

If I was to attempt such a thing in one of the Lincolns or Shackletons I flew I would start from on high and close down the 3 engines in the dive to the fly by point to ensure that there was enough momentum remaining to restart engines immediately during the recovery. All a bit risky if one had reluctant props to unfeather.
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The Shack Mk3 Phase 3 which was at Sharjah for a while would lose height if it didn't have the 2 burning as well as the 4 turning!
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SHACKLETONS.








Don't bother me.......................................................... ...................



Ahh memories!
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They did but not any moooooooooooooore.
On a transit back from Majunga to Aden lost number two but it wouldn't feather. Even with the other three the drag caused a slow, steady loss of altitude. Beer was good in Nairobi later though.
Fly on one...............no thank you.
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Yes as a QFI at Kinloss one used to demonstrate 2 engine circuits, always with Nos1 and 2 feathered and as I remember the decision height was 600'. During a transit from Aden to El Adem I lost No4 around Nassers Corner (who remembers that? apart from, "Krakatoa" who was in the other seat but probably asleep!!) decided not to land at EL Adem but to go on to Luqa and No 1 decided that it had had enough and had to be feathered. No problem but 38's SAR crew were right pi***d off for being called to standby.

During 4 tours on the Old Grey Lady Mks 1,2,3 and 4 that was the only time that two engines packed up, several times one did but never three for which I am truly grateful to Mr. R and R.
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Shack

I was not asleep, just resting my eyelids !
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Krakatoa

You lie like a cheap Changi watch!!!
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Wasn`t there a chap called Arthur Pine/Vine ?, who had some excitement losing a few engines off Lisbon, and flew it up the river under the bridge to the airfield ?
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Mike Bondesio ?

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showpos...59&postcount=8
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During the 1950s Napier tested the Napier Nomad which was a possible for the Mk 5 Shackleton. It was shown at the 1951 SBAC show on the nose of Lincoln SX973 with the 4 merlins feathered. The engine was axed for financial reasons
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"Shackleton Jockeys"???

Per-lease. Herders, Yes. Inmates, Deffo. Drivers - If You Must (and only 'cos the FC with a Dancing Bear said on telly it wound us..) But jockeys?

Sorry,back to t'thread: Didn't someone at Gib try the old 2 engines feathered fly-past with a 180 at the end and come back with the other two feathered and the first two running again. Except they forgot to run the first two up err first. Or was that yet another lie my QFI told me?
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Napier Nomad was an "interesting" engine. See ISBN 1 84037 012 2; "Major Piston Aero Engines of WW2". In its Mk 2 guise two-stroke Diesel compound, 3250 hp!!
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spekesoftly and Mike Jenvey
Thank you for the link, I arrived at Ballykelly just after the event and only knew the crewroom version and that the man was an absolute legend in "Grey Lady" circles.
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