Marshalling in the RAF?
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Marshalling in the RAF?
Hello, this is an easy question that I am sure you will be able to answer easily...
Who actually marshalls aircraft in the RAF? Does it fall down to Airmen/woman of any trade do it on a rota basis or how does it work?
Thanks!
Owen
Who actually marshalls aircraft in the RAF? Does it fall down to Airmen/woman of any trade do it on a rota basis or how does it work?
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Owen
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Owen,
I think you were plenty clear enough, maybe AIDU just swallowed a facetious pill
Typically, linies will marshall aircraft, and can be of any aircraft trade, nominally at SAC rank.
However, it is not unusual to see JT's (dying breed), Cpls, Sgts and even Chf Techs marshalling, especially with the numbers the RAF has now fallen to.
It wasn't unknown for SNECs at Lyneham to also empty the bogs (for same reason)
I think you were plenty clear enough, maybe AIDU just swallowed a facetious pill
Typically, linies will marshall aircraft, and can be of any aircraft trade, nominally at SAC rank.
However, it is not unusual to see JT's (dying breed), Cpls, Sgts and even Chf Techs marshalling, especially with the numbers the RAF has now fallen to.
It wasn't unknown for SNECs at Lyneham to also empty the bogs (for same reason)
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Whoever the groudcrew for that particular ‘see off’ are will marshal the aircraft off its parking slot whilst the pilot / aircrew totally ignore them and do what the hell they want to! Well that’s what normally happens. The only major difference is when it’s really bad weather the aircrew make you wait for ever before taxiing and then give you big smiles and laugh as they are nice and warm and dry.
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They can be any trade be it Sooty, rigger or fairy depending who is on the see off crew.
Possibly that would then equate to all aircraft trades?
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AMM's (FLM's in essence, but with smaller bollox and less pay) are nominally used for marshalling and servicing these days.
The trade trained SAC's and the J/T's are consistently dragged off the line back to the trade desk, thanks to 'Lean', redundancies, PVR's etc.
With the advent of the single man servicing, on the flightline you only need one line walker to supervise three bods on three jets.
In the HAS environment, you have the liney and a safety man. Cpl's are not required out in the HAS on some Sqn's.
Bombheads do seem somewhat allergic to Flight Servicings though!
The trade trained SAC's and the J/T's are consistently dragged off the line back to the trade desk, thanks to 'Lean', redundancies, PVR's etc.
With the advent of the single man servicing, on the flightline you only need one line walker to supervise three bods on three jets.
In the HAS environment, you have the liney and a safety man. Cpl's are not required out in the HAS on some Sqn's.
Bombheads do seem somewhat allergic to Flight Servicings though!
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Happy days as a JEngO on det when I got to marshall aircraft.
Not so happy times when the Flt Sgt caught me in the act, physically removed me from the pan and bollocked the cpl Line Walker for allowing an unqualified person marshall the aircraft.
N Joe
Not so happy times when the Flt Sgt caught me in the act, physically removed me from the pan and bollocked the cpl Line Walker for allowing an unqualified person marshall the aircraft.
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How to Marshal
Go to 'Jet Blast' and check out 'Done for Charity' (currently on page 3). !2 sqn give the rundown, how others do it and how the Brits do it. A good chuckle and done for a good cause. This is the full version already referred to earlier in this thread. Enjoy it.
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"It wasn't unknown for SNECs at Lyneham to also empty the bogs (for same reason)"
That was just to get the Doms money and depriving some poor liney of his 90p/day or what ever the rate is.
That was just to get the Doms money and depriving some poor liney of his 90p/day or what ever the rate is.
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Here's an alternative to the other 2 links posted earlier, neither of which I could get to work.
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/101082...marshall_jets/
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/101082...marshall_jets/
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Its not unknown for stackers and slammers to marshall aircraft too.
Not all aircraft require miles of tarmac to get airborne and those chosen few who serve on Tactical Supply Wing often marshall aircraft.
Not all aircraft require miles of tarmac to get airborne and those chosen few who serve on Tactical Supply Wing often marshall aircraft.
Marshalling stackers
I do remember that in nineteen-hundred-and-frozen-to-death a certain Pilot Officer stacker marshalled an Argosy wingtip into the door of the cantilever hangar at Ballykelly. Cut a very neat slit it did. The incident got airbrushed out when it became apparent that Eng Wg in it's entirety had ommitted to see that there was a movement that day ('twas a bank holiday I think) and that the youth was trying to be helpful and get the a/c offloaded and on it's way quickly. It was one of those "I learned about aircraft handling from that" events.
The Ancient Mariner
PS Those were the days when P.O. and F.O. errors were sorted out by the SNCOs (vide N Joe's earlier post) and junior officers learned a lot the hard way.
The Ancient Mariner
PS Those were the days when P.O. and F.O. errors were sorted out by the SNCOs (vide N Joe's earlier post) and junior officers learned a lot the hard way.