Airports forcing troops to change on tarmac?
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Let me elaborate
I can probably pull out me old training folder and its written in there somewhere that millitary crew cannot travel in uniform whilst in civilian airport, and that training manual nearly 6 -7 years old..
When checking in military personnel on a certain airline its also stated on the passengers itinerary's that passengers have to be in civilian clothes.
If a whole load of military personnel fly out regularly from civilian airport on a regular basis don't ppl think that airport will be a target??
When checking in military personnel on a certain airline its also stated on the passengers itinerary's that passengers have to be in civilian clothes.
If a whole load of military personnel fly out regularly from civilian airport on a regular basis don't ppl think that airport will be a target??
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Let me elaborate
I can probably pull out me old training folder and its written in there somewhere that millitary crew cannot travel in uniform whilst in civilian airport, and that training manual nearly 6 -7 years old..
When checking in military personnel on a certain airline its also stated on the passengers itinerary's that passengers have to be in civilian clothes.
If a whole load of military personnel fly out regularly from civilian airport on a regular basis don't ppl think that airport will be a target??
I can probably pull out me old training folder and its written in there somewhere that millitary crew cannot travel in uniform whilst in civilian airport, and that training manual nearly 6 -7 years old..
When checking in military personnel on a certain airline its also stated on the passengers itinerary's that passengers have to be in civilian clothes.
If a whole load of military personnel fly out regularly from civilian airport on a regular basis don't ppl think that airport will be a target??
Your last observation would be a fair assumption if it were not for the fact that all airports are targets. In case you haven't noticed its far more common and easier for them to attack innocent civilians.
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I may be a bit outdated on this one, but didn't the HQ 38/1 GP ops manual 1/08 have guidelines for this type of scenario. It was the manual that listed all the Ascot schedules and flight numbers etc....
What to do !
The only thing that can be done (and it needs many of us to do it ) is to write to our MP and demand that he/she investigates this shameful matter ASAP and reports back ! Have done this to mine (might work as it is our esteemed Tory party leader !) Will keep on as reqd..
IN THE MEANTIME I WISH ALL OUR SERVICE PERSONNEL A HAPPY NEW YEAR (BETTER THAN 2007 !) WITH MY THANKS AND RESPECT FOR A JOB WELL DONE DESPITE THE FORCES (VARIOUS ! ) WORKING AGAINST THEM !
IN THE MEANTIME I WISH ALL OUR SERVICE PERSONNEL A HAPPY NEW YEAR (BETTER THAN 2007 !) WITH MY THANKS AND RESPECT FOR A JOB WELL DONE DESPITE THE FORCES (VARIOUS ! ) WORKING AGAINST THEM !
The topic was briefly mentioned on the Today programme this AM in the first 'Review of today's papers' ........ never to be mentioned again 
.............. or did I go back to sleep?
.............. or did I go back to sleep?
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Old news that won't go away
I have a letter on file from the MOD stating that George Robertson had issued instructions that military personnel could travel in uniform. One of the first things he did when made Sec of Def and a jolly good idea.
However the letter was caveated that the final decision rested with local commanders who may modify things in light of the prevailing local security situation. In practice this means that because an incident involving someone in uniform may adversely affect a CO's future career whilst the positive aspects of uniform wearing have little or no positive effects, the prudent (and spineless) commander will always rule against uniforms in public.
However the letter was caveated that the final decision rested with local commanders who may modify things in light of the prevailing local security situation. In practice this means that because an incident involving someone in uniform may adversely affect a CO's future career whilst the positive aspects of uniform wearing have little or no positive effects, the prudent (and spineless) commander will always rule against uniforms in public.
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From the Herald
So, when they're on leave Officers can't be contacted.
Very convenient!
An MoD spokesman said: "We can confirm the incident occurred but because everyone is on leave, we have not been able to discover who gave the order.
Very convenient!
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That is reflected in the current RAF dress regs available on the RAF website:
Not that this helps in the case is hand in particular; however, the policy is clear that RAF uniform can be worn in public (but only the blue variety!)
That is reflected in the current RAF dress regs available on the RAF website:
0110. All RAF personnel at UK units should normally wear civilian clothes when they are not required for duty. However, unless otherwise ordered, No 1 and No 2 uniform modes may be worn routinely in public, on public transport, on foot or in private transport. This ruling must take into account security implications and a commonsense approach to local situations. The remaining paragraphs of this Chap also detail particular situations when uniform can and cannot be worn. Local orders, i.e. SSOs, SRO’s, etc, will detail current circumstances regarding the wearing of uniform. Uniform is not to be worn on the following occasions:
a. When participating in non-Service parades (e.g. on Remembrance Day, Battle of Britain Day, etc) serving officers are forbidden to wear uniform if conditions require them to appear in the ranks with serving or ex-Service personnel below commissioned rank. This does not preclude the wearing of uniform by those officiating at a saluting base or appearing officially with a party of civic officials.
b. Uniform is not to be worn by prospective or adopted parliamentary candidates at political meetings, or while canvassing, appearing in public or engaged in any other activities connected with their candidature.
c. Uniform is not to be worn at functions where fancy dress is worn; the wearing of uniform of obsolete design, which is clearly distinguishable from the pattern currently worn, is, however, permitted.
d. Uniform is not to be worn by personnel engaged in temporary or part-time civil employment or while seeking such employment.
d.[stet] When visiting Public Houses or places of entertainment and/or consuming alcohol, unless at a recognised Service function or when officially representing the Service at an external function.
f. Relaxed Dress. There may be occasions when a relaxed form of dress is appropriate, such as in DOR activities. Any Commanders proposing to initiate a relaxed dress policy is to obtain formal approval from the Chairman of the Dress Policy Committee.
b. Uniform is not to be worn by prospective or adopted parliamentary candidates at political meetings, or while canvassing, appearing in public or engaged in any other activities connected with their candidature.
c. Uniform is not to be worn at functions where fancy dress is worn; the wearing of uniform of obsolete design, which is clearly distinguishable from the pattern currently worn, is, however, permitted.
d. Uniform is not to be worn by personnel engaged in temporary or part-time civil employment or while seeking such employment.
d.[stet] When visiting Public Houses or places of entertainment and/or consuming alcohol, unless at a recognised Service function or when officially representing the Service at an external function.
f. Relaxed Dress. There may be occasions when a relaxed form of dress is appropriate, such as in DOR activities. Any Commanders proposing to initiate a relaxed dress policy is to obtain formal approval from the Chairman of the Dress Policy Committee.
however, the policy is clear that RAF uniform can be worn in public (but only the blue variety!)
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According to the BBC just now (it's even made it to the yoof station, Radio 1!), an MOD spokesman said "Troops were not entitled to wear uniform when not on duty"
Well, that clears it up then! So when we're on the way home we're not on duty then?
Well, that clears it up then! So when we're on the way home we're not on duty then?
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When I was on the baby officers leadership course, it was made clear that all RN personnel were available for duty 24/7, unless on leave. Thus coming back on board totally p!ssed was an offence, as the minimum expected of any rating or officer was to be able to fight a fire. Too drunk to use an extinguisher = appearance at Captain's table.
However, it seems that leave from sandy/rocky places starts when personnel leave their unit sandyside, (regardless of the length of time it takes to get to the UK to enjoy the leave) so it may be true to say that those on the tarmac are on leave (in the main) and so not on duty.
It's still a load of t@sh that having lads/lasses in uniform at civilian airports presents a security threat, IMHO.
However, it seems that leave from sandy/rocky places starts when personnel leave their unit sandyside, (regardless of the length of time it takes to get to the UK to enjoy the leave) so it may be true to say that those on the tarmac are on leave (in the main) and so not on duty.
It's still a load of t@sh that having lads/lasses in uniform at civilian airports presents a security threat, IMHO.
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My understanding is that service personnel travelling on AT (which includes civvie charter) at any time are on duty, except when indulging. My further belief is that personnel travelling to/from R&R are not indulging. IMHO the MoD spokesman, if he was describing the events at Birmingham, was wrong.
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The Airline concerned was Omni Air whos pilots were instructed by some desk jockey also known as a a "mover" at the MOD to divert /conduct of soldiers etc
Incidentally the reason charters are used is because the RAF stil fly Tristars which ony Vietnam and Ethopian regional carriers tilluse because they are so unreliable, more unreliable even than the Nimrod.
Incidentally the reason charters are used is because the RAF stil fly Tristars which ony Vietnam and Ethopian regional carriers tilluse because they are so unreliable, more unreliable even than the Nimrod.
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So, if a terrorist incident occurred while military personnel (not in uniform) were on scene at the airport or elsewhere, they would be simply expected to say "Sorry, we're on leave" and walk away....
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This thread or atleast the main story has now made it onto ITV teletext.
Page 318 in the "And Finally" section, wait for the pages to change and you'll see the Troops forced to change on Tarmac news item.
Page 318 in the "And Finally" section, wait for the pages to change and you'll see the Troops forced to change on Tarmac news item.
As a trial, I guess, and 'cos I'm like that, I flew from Luton to Inverness and Edinburgh back to Luton with the Orange coloured airline last week. The only comment I received was from another pax on the EDI-LTN leg who commented that it was nice to see an officer travelling in uniform. I'll keep the trial going!