Lest we forget.
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Lest we forget.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7040801.stm
What a beautiful place. No ranks, no medals, no badges.. just names.
.. they went with songs to the battle, they were young,
Straight of limb, true of eye, steady and aglow.
They were staunch to the end against odds uncounted;
They fell with their faces to the foe.
They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old:
Age shall not weary them, nor the years contemn.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning
We will remember them.
They mingle not with their laughing comrades again;
They sit no more at familiar tables of home;
They have no lot in our labour of the day-time;
They sleep beyond England's foam.
But where our desires are and our hopes profound,
Felt as a well-spring that is hidden from sight,
To the innermost heart of their own land they are known
As the stars are known to the Night;
As the stars that shall be bright when we are dust,
Moving in marches upon the heavenly plain;
As the stars that are starry in the time of our darkness,
To the end, to the end, they remain.
For the Fallen, Laurence Binyon.
Jusr read it again. How utterly sad and hopeless I feel, that there is a need for space for 15,000 more names.
What a beautiful place. No ranks, no medals, no badges.. just names.
.. they went with songs to the battle, they were young,
Straight of limb, true of eye, steady and aglow.
They were staunch to the end against odds uncounted;
They fell with their faces to the foe.
They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old:
Age shall not weary them, nor the years contemn.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning
We will remember them.
They mingle not with their laughing comrades again;
They sit no more at familiar tables of home;
They have no lot in our labour of the day-time;
They sleep beyond England's foam.
But where our desires are and our hopes profound,
Felt as a well-spring that is hidden from sight,
To the innermost heart of their own land they are known
As the stars are known to the Night;
As the stars that shall be bright when we are dust,
Moving in marches upon the heavenly plain;
As the stars that are starry in the time of our darkness,
To the end, to the end, they remain.
For the Fallen, Laurence Binyon.
Jusr read it again. How utterly sad and hopeless I feel, that there is a need for space for 15,000 more names.
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How utterly sad and hopeless I feel, that there is a need for space for 15,000 more names.
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All future [and Current ] Prime Misters and MP's should be made to spend a day there, reading the names. At the end of the day they should then be asked,
DO YOU WANT YOUR DECISIONS TO ADD MORE NAMES TO THE LIST ???
DO YOU WANT YOUR DECISIONS TO ADD MORE NAMES TO THE LIST ???
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Oh come on lads - and lasses -, do you really think the Blairs and Browns of this world would give a flying f**k if the names were tattooed on their arses ?
At least we remember them, faces, families, mannerisms, sense of humour par excellence, dour buggers, winners, not such great winners, misers (oh yes, many of those gits !), ill fitting civvies, daft haircuts, poorly spelt tattoos, the weirdest tastes in music, rough diamonds, smooth bastards you wouldn't introduce to your gran - salt of the earth, the bloody lot of them.
At least we remember them, faces, families, mannerisms, sense of humour par excellence, dour buggers, winners, not such great winners, misers (oh yes, many of those gits !), ill fitting civvies, daft haircuts, poorly spelt tattoos, the weirdest tastes in music, rough diamonds, smooth bastards you wouldn't introduce to your gran - salt of the earth, the bloody lot of them.
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Was there a flypast for the service today?
The reason I ask is that I was doing some work just south of Leicester around 1320 hrs today when I heard a powerful jet noise.
First was a Nimrod followed at approx 1 minute intervals by a GR4,F3, Typhoon and a Harrier which was a bit further south east.
I guess the aircraft were at about 500 ft with the Nimrod having a job to stay visual with the ground, speed I guess around 300 knots.
I have seen many aircraft flying low level over the years south of Leicester but this was a first with a Nimrod, I immediately thought of the service in Staffordshire.
The reason I ask is that I was doing some work just south of Leicester around 1320 hrs today when I heard a powerful jet noise.
First was a Nimrod followed at approx 1 minute intervals by a GR4,F3, Typhoon and a Harrier which was a bit further south east.
I guess the aircraft were at about 500 ft with the Nimrod having a job to stay visual with the ground, speed I guess around 300 knots.
I have seen many aircraft flying low level over the years south of Leicester but this was a first with a Nimrod, I immediately thought of the service in Staffordshire.
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At the going down of the sun and in the morning - We will remember them.
http://www.forcesmemorial.org.uk/index.asp
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When I reread that piece this morning, and I experienced a really sickening feeling. Here we were, somewhere in leafy England, remembering and glorifying our dead and expecting and justifying the deaths of another 60 years of Britain’s finest, and I got to thinking. We donate more to animal charity than we do old people’s charity and we opened the memorial to animals killed in war, in Park Lane, a few years back. Without a second thought, we turf folk out of their homes to make way for Livingstone’s folly at the cost of billions to our own people, yet we put a stop on the work when some latte sipping hemp underpant wearing prat shrieks that he’s found a Great Crested Newt breeding where the long jump is going to be. Politicians don’t care (you only have to wade through the defence procurement debate to realise that folks).. people don’t care. We can be mitigated as a ‘justifiable loss’.
‘No justice, just us’.
‘No justice, just us’.
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It is very difficult to justify anything felt in the face of such an emotive memorial. If we don't remember them, then they are expendable, unwanted, uncared for, forgotten. If they are remembered, then it is noted with cynicism, and a feeling of resentment and inner fury that it takes such a selfless act of sacrifice to get anyone to do anything at all. In fact, all of our men and women are aware of the risks, and I for one get confused with the comments that sometimes appear on other threads, of almost childish glee, that more are coming out of the services.
So what is the answer, only join and fight the conflicts you want to, or join and fight the wars you are sent to, or protest at everthing, join and leave in a hurry or join, serve like a hero despite the powers that be, defend this country and if the very worst happend be remembered by just such a memorial.
Until this planet learns to live in peace - something that will never happen - this sort of situation will continue and the same choices have to be continually made.
So how do I feel - immensly proud of the man who gave all in order to work with colleagues he respected and honoured, to be one of them and die with them. I don't care about politicians or people with self opinionated views of what is right and wrong. All I care about is that I lost him- forever - and I will never ever see him again and if his name is carved in stone, it is also carved in my heart and nothing and no-one can eradicate it from either.
So if there is room for more names on this memorial then that can be construed either way, a determination to revere those who will continue to give the ultimate or hedging your bets and making sure no gets left out therefore making sure enough room is there.
I know which way I will prefer to look at it because I look at all the uniforms and all I see are men and women better, and braver and more courgeous than me, willing to go out do a job of work against all odds.
God Bless you all. I hope you never end up on that Memorial but I am so unbelievably proud that the man I love so much is there, even though that means he will never again be with me.
So what is the answer, only join and fight the conflicts you want to, or join and fight the wars you are sent to, or protest at everthing, join and leave in a hurry or join, serve like a hero despite the powers that be, defend this country and if the very worst happend be remembered by just such a memorial.
Until this planet learns to live in peace - something that will never happen - this sort of situation will continue and the same choices have to be continually made.
So how do I feel - immensly proud of the man who gave all in order to work with colleagues he respected and honoured, to be one of them and die with them. I don't care about politicians or people with self opinionated views of what is right and wrong. All I care about is that I lost him- forever - and I will never ever see him again and if his name is carved in stone, it is also carved in my heart and nothing and no-one can eradicate it from either.
So if there is room for more names on this memorial then that can be construed either way, a determination to revere those who will continue to give the ultimate or hedging your bets and making sure no gets left out therefore making sure enough room is there.
I know which way I will prefer to look at it because I look at all the uniforms and all I see are men and women better, and braver and more courgeous than me, willing to go out do a job of work against all odds.
God Bless you all. I hope you never end up on that Memorial but I am so unbelievably proud that the man I love so much is there, even though that means he will never again be with me.
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Spoken as only someone who has suffered such a loss can speak.
I just feel sad beyond belief that we have already resolved to set aside more space for more men and women, most of whom may not have even been born yet. My malaise is more philosophical, than political. If we were animals, I wonder how the way we treat our own would be viewed.
I hope all is well.
Sincerely,
Al.
I just feel sad beyond belief that we have already resolved to set aside more space for more men and women, most of whom may not have even been born yet. My malaise is more philosophical, than political. If we were animals, I wonder how the way we treat our own would be viewed.
I hope all is well.
Sincerely,
Al.
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we have already resolved to set aside more space for more men and women, most of whom may not have even been born yet
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Thank you for that. It made me very sad, humble and also proud. Before this memorial I had to rely on the service of rememberance and attendance at the annual parade at my local war memorial and of course my memories. Now there is somewhere I can go to see my oppos names and place tokens of my respect.
Thank you for that. It made me very sad, humble and also proud. Before this memorial I had to rely on the service of rememberance and attendance at the annual parade at my local war memorial and of course my memories. Now there is somewhere I can go to see my oppos names and place tokens of my respect.
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National Arboretum
I visited Alrewas last year while in the UK.
For those that haven't been, it is a stunning concept, and in twenty years or so when the 12,000 trees that have been planted grow a bit, it will be even more of a haven.
I found it a very moving experience just to walk around all those memorials, and especially the short stretch of the railway recovered from that infamous crime scene. Some people, relatives perhaps, had left little mementoes, and you'd be a hard man indeed to not feel the urge to shed a tear.
The food in the cafe isn't too bad either!
For those that haven't been, it is a stunning concept, and in twenty years or so when the 12,000 trees that have been planted grow a bit, it will be even more of a haven.
I found it a very moving experience just to walk around all those memorials, and especially the short stretch of the railway recovered from that infamous crime scene. Some people, relatives perhaps, had left little mementoes, and you'd be a hard man indeed to not feel the urge to shed a tear.
The food in the cafe isn't too bad either!
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I think that this memorial is long overdue, but have a question that may seem incredibly simple - What is the criteria for inclusion? This may clarify what this memorial is for, ie for those members of the Services who have died whilst serving, or those who have died because they were serving.
Without detracting from anyone's service, I'll give an example. A friend is included on the memorial, but he died undertaking a sporting activity as a result of his level of experience and the situation he put himself in. Without diminishing his passing, does it compare with those who have died in training for operations, or on operations?
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Without detracting from anyone's service, I'll give an example. A friend is included on the memorial, but he died undertaking a sporting activity as a result of his level of experience and the situation he put himself in. Without diminishing his passing, does it compare with those who have died in training for operations, or on operations?
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