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Yesterday there was thread on this site (sensibly removed - I have to say), whereby a young student pilot faces possible dismissal from the Royal Air Force following the disputed position/action of a landing light switch. For what it's worth, I thought judgements made against him were particularly harsh.
Pablo, on the other hand, is an experienced guy who should have known better!
Pablo, on the other hand, is an experienced guy who should have known better!
I had a sortie in NI many moons ago where, (edited owing to the tabloid dimension here on PPRuNe. Story stands.) No debrief on the way back, on return to the SH det or at any time afterwards.
The captain was Pablo. F*** all happened to him when we got back to Aldergrove. F*** all seemed to happen to him throughout his life in the SH Force, although that can't be true as he was proud of the fact that he was the most senior Fg Off in the RAF through delays to promotion to Flt Lt.
Probably the sort of tale that folk dine-out on, chuckling quietly at the exuberance of youth and the necessity for hierarchies to have "characters" to keep them human. However, the object lessons for me were:
Some folk can fool all the people above them all the time,
Some folk can talk a very good career,
and some flight commanders aren't worth the oxygen they waste.
The captain was Pablo. F*** all happened to him when we got back to Aldergrove. F*** all seemed to happen to him throughout his life in the SH Force, although that can't be true as he was proud of the fact that he was the most senior Fg Off in the RAF through delays to promotion to Flt Lt.
Probably the sort of tale that folk dine-out on, chuckling quietly at the exuberance of youth and the necessity for hierarchies to have "characters" to keep them human. However, the object lessons for me were:
Some folk can fool all the people above them all the time,
Some folk can talk a very good career,
and some flight commanders aren't worth the oxygen they waste.
Last edited by Thud_and_Blunder; 8th Oct 2007 at 09:33.
There seem to be a lot of folk here willing to badmouth a named individual, when he's already down, from behind the shelter of their own anonymity.
That's not very elevating.
I only met Pablo once, and so I don't pretend to know the bloke. But whatever he is or isn't, was or wasn't, when I was interviewing him about Granby I was struck by the realistic idea he had of his own abilities (which he obviously thought were limited, as he'd "been lucky to get fast jet") and by his obvious loyalty to and fondness of his flight in Granby.
He also seemed to have as high a regard for the late Bob Brownlow (who I'd known from RAFGSA and ULAS days, and who Pablo flew with in the Gulf) as I did, and seemed happier to talk about Bob's sterling qualities than about himself.
He seemed a bit of a twit, perhaps, with the big moustache and the cultivated 'colourful character' persona but a fundamentally good and decent man who had done more with his life than I've done with mine, and who deserved better than the pet shop he was then running.
So I wish him well, to be honest.
That's not very elevating.
I only met Pablo once, and so I don't pretend to know the bloke. But whatever he is or isn't, was or wasn't, when I was interviewing him about Granby I was struck by the realistic idea he had of his own abilities (which he obviously thought were limited, as he'd "been lucky to get fast jet") and by his obvious loyalty to and fondness of his flight in Granby.
He also seemed to have as high a regard for the late Bob Brownlow (who I'd known from RAFGSA and ULAS days, and who Pablo flew with in the Gulf) as I did, and seemed happier to talk about Bob's sterling qualities than about himself.
He seemed a bit of a twit, perhaps, with the big moustache and the cultivated 'colourful character' persona but a fundamentally good and decent man who had done more with his life than I've done with mine, and who deserved better than the pet shop he was then running.
So I wish him well, to be honest.
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Guys,
I do have an issue when an individual believes rules concerning safety can be bent. Allowing people into a cockpit isn't like exceeding the speed limit by 15 Mph when the roads are clear and its 2 in the morning. This individual has been a maverick all of his life with perhaps an unfounded belief and confidence in his own abilities. I reserve judgement on the flying side but I do have a personal recollection of Pablo dating back to days in RAF Laarbruch post Gulf Story One.
He was attempting to change the oil on a BMW that he was hoping to sell. The oil wasn't leaving the car quick enough so some further action was required. The car was sitting at head height on an elevated ramp and Pablo decided to reach into the car and start the ignition. Unfortunately the car was in gear and it drove off the front of the ramp... It was saved from diving into the ground (and killing anyone) by a chain link fence and a few strands of barbed wire which caught betwen the bonnet and the left and right wings.
A trip to the 1 Sqn RAF Regt adventure training store produced enough rope to secure and thence rescue the car.
Read into this what you will - all I learnt was that I wouldn't let this man be responsible for servicing my car.
I do have an issue when an individual believes rules concerning safety can be bent. Allowing people into a cockpit isn't like exceeding the speed limit by 15 Mph when the roads are clear and its 2 in the morning. This individual has been a maverick all of his life with perhaps an unfounded belief and confidence in his own abilities. I reserve judgement on the flying side but I do have a personal recollection of Pablo dating back to days in RAF Laarbruch post Gulf Story One.
He was attempting to change the oil on a BMW that he was hoping to sell. The oil wasn't leaving the car quick enough so some further action was required. The car was sitting at head height on an elevated ramp and Pablo decided to reach into the car and start the ignition. Unfortunately the car was in gear and it drove off the front of the ramp... It was saved from diving into the ground (and killing anyone) by a chain link fence and a few strands of barbed wire which caught betwen the bonnet and the left and right wings.
A trip to the 1 Sqn RAF Regt adventure training store produced enough rope to secure and thence rescue the car.
Read into this what you will - all I learnt was that I wouldn't let this man be responsible for servicing my car.
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Thud and Blunder.
You should add to your list of object lessons:-
Some P2s will be too spineless to refuse to fly with an obviously pi55ed captain, but more than happy to kick him when he is down and no longer scary.
You should add to your list of object lessons:-
Some P2s will be too spineless to refuse to fly with an obviously pi55ed captain, but more than happy to kick him when he is down and no longer scary.
In my personal view - there are places where rule breaking might be accepted and places where they aren't.
Endangering an aircraft and crew for a "crucial" military purpose is one thing;
Endangering aircraft and crew for pleasure is another;
But endangering aircraft, crew and passengers for entertainment is not on - whoever you are!
It is not just a company rule that has been broken.
Obviously people working with him have ratted on him to remove him from the scene - I wonder why.
Endangering an aircraft and crew for a "crucial" military purpose is one thing;
Endangering aircraft and crew for pleasure is another;
But endangering aircraft, crew and passengers for entertainment is not on - whoever you are!
It is not just a company rule that has been broken.
Obviously people working with him have ratted on him to remove him from the scene - I wonder why.
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Leaving aside any judgement on an individual (don't know him, probably never will), surely the issue here is that a member of aircrew has been fired for failing to operate an aircraft in accordance with the rules laid down by those who own the aircraft, the wishes of those who pay his salary, and the legislation written by those who have a legal responsibility for the safe conduct of flight. As far as I know, when you sign for the aircraft you aren't signing for your own rulebook too!
To me, it's fairly cut and dried. You are employed by an airline to operate the aircraft in accordance with a company SOP, and a set of legal regulations. If you fail to do so without suitable reason, they are entitled to discipline you as they see fit. You don't own the aircraft and you don't write the rules. You are a very talented bus driver, that's all. Yes, signing the 700/equivalent bestows on you a degree of responsibility and with that an amount of latitude in operation, but you have a responsibility to follow the rules as you have been employed to do. By all means protest if you think they ought to be changed, but if you flout them then you can expect to be bought to earth at some point!
To me, it's fairly cut and dried. You are employed by an airline to operate the aircraft in accordance with a company SOP, and a set of legal regulations. If you fail to do so without suitable reason, they are entitled to discipline you as they see fit. You don't own the aircraft and you don't write the rules. You are a very talented bus driver, that's all. Yes, signing the 700/equivalent bestows on you a degree of responsibility and with that an amount of latitude in operation, but you have a responsibility to follow the rules as you have been employed to do. By all means protest if you think they ought to be changed, but if you flout them then you can expect to be bought to earth at some point!
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I suggest this sort of public mudslinging at a named individual, by some who really should know better, is totally inappropriate.
Shameful
This thread is a great example of the ugly side to this PPRuNe forum. Such a character assassination really does scrape the bottom of the barrel.
It is depressing to think that some of the worst posts here might come from former or current RAF officers. Yamaha is quite correct that some of the posts are pathetic, and childish responses such as '**** off then you cock' simply serve to reinforce that view.
It is depressing to think that some of the worst posts here might come from former or current RAF officers. Yamaha is quite correct that some of the posts are pathetic, and childish responses such as '**** off then you cock' simply serve to reinforce that view.
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Ewan,
Ah, the tabloid dimension. B&gger - beyond all the invective in the PMs and within the thread you are the one person who's succeeded in getting through re my observations on Pablo Mason's history. Post duly edited, but no regrets about letting defenders of consistent rule-breakers know that the actions of some inspire many not-so-lucky or flying-skill-blessed individuals to go on to make their own serious mistakes. Pablo got away with things for a long, long time.
Lawyers? No problem - I doubt whether Pablo would gainsay anything I wrote - he'd probably treat it as another wizzo yarn for volume 3.
Ah, the tabloid dimension. B&gger - beyond all the invective in the PMs and within the thread you are the one person who's succeeded in getting through re my observations on Pablo Mason's history. Post duly edited, but no regrets about letting defenders of consistent rule-breakers know that the actions of some inspire many not-so-lucky or flying-skill-blessed individuals to go on to make their own serious mistakes. Pablo got away with things for a long, long time.
Lawyers? No problem - I doubt whether Pablo would gainsay anything I wrote - he'd probably treat it as another wizzo yarn for volume 3.
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The infamous USAF Bud Holland got away with extreme behaviour for a long time, without being reprimanded, and we all know what happened in the end.
More extreme than the subject of this thread, but one has to wonder what various CO`s were doing at the time ?
More extreme than the subject of this thread, but one has to wonder what various CO`s were doing at the time ?
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I first came across this studya couple of years ago, working in an entirely unrelated field.
http://www.crm-devel.org/resources/p...e/darkblue.htm
As works go, and reaching going beyond the tragedy of the whole damned business, it makes morbid but compelling reading. I remember the flight safety vid from the early 80s.. the one where the Jaguar crashes, and it emerges that the pilot has argued with his wife that morning about his breakfast, snapped at a Cpl on the flightline.. etc. The human mind and personality at work under pressure.. fascinating stuff, however awful the conseuences sometimes.
http://www.crm-devel.org/resources/p...e/darkblue.htm
As works go, and reaching going beyond the tragedy of the whole damned business, it makes morbid but compelling reading. I remember the flight safety vid from the early 80s.. the one where the Jaguar crashes, and it emerges that the pilot has argued with his wife that morning about his breakfast, snapped at a Cpl on the flightline.. etc. The human mind and personality at work under pressure.. fascinating stuff, however awful the conseuences sometimes.
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