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XW231 and XW222 - Whats the story?

Old 6th Jan 2013, 16:23
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Love BBQ plates... NOT!

Thats why 431 did all the AAC choppers too...
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Old 6th Jan 2013, 20:22
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Yes Albert - I do indeed know what the categories are. The categories were as I stated and I do know what I helped repair.
The Harriers were both jobs that BAe turned down but "we" at 431 replaced both undercarriage mounting Beams and an integral water tank after a maintenance overpressurisation. The jobs took several years to complete.(mainly waiting for BAe to complete there tasks)
Indeed - I was the Chief Tech 'Surveyor' for that particular Harrier. It had suffered engine failure on the approach and plonked down very hard indeed. The nose u/c was pushed backwards and upwards requiring major repairs to the frames aft of the nose bay. The two main undercarriage beams suffered distortion from the up-thrust of the main gear and the unreplaceable Frame 19 (?) at the front of the beams also suffered damage that was within a thou or two of being totally out of limits. As Rigga wrote, BAe turned the job down as, whilst they had replaced individual beams, they had never replaced both (how to maintain datums for the u/c pintle bearings?). However, politics reared it's ugly head in that a/c repair functions carried out by 431 MU were under threat and the 'Powers that be' saw the repair of XZ 131 as a justification for retaining the manpower and purpose. The Design Repair Authority at Dunsfold were intrigued by how we went about it and two of their most experienced designers came out on a visit to view and discuss the methodology (and went home with severe hangovers - but that is another story). Somewhere I have a photo of the repaired fuselage on a low-loader, ready for despatch back to GŁt, with the team proudly standing in front.

PS - just found it... (I am sixth from the left - but look nothing like that now!)


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Old 7th Jan 2013, 12:48
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Were these the two pumas that ended up on their side at Baghdad Airport? If so it's good to know they're up and flying again.
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Old 7th Jan 2013, 18:23
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There was one ended up on its side in ASF at Odiham
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When they tow Pumas around in strong winds do they still tell the towing party to have both main doors open to stop it being blown over.
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Old 17th Jan 2013, 13:39
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I recognise Mick Swift, Chris Baggley, Clive Clark and a few other faces but not more names...
I wonder where I was that day?
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Old 17th Jan 2013, 18:13
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Lyneham Lad,
I recognise Mick Swift, Chris Baggley, Clive Clark and a few other faces but not more names...
I wonder where I was that day?
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Fifth from left is Jess Harker. As to your location? Well as it was 1984 maybe Big Brother should be consulted.
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Old 18th Jan 2013, 08:48
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LOL!
You must've followed me from Laarbruch or Honington.
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Old 19th Jan 2013, 11:34
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I first flew her on May 14th 1985 abseiling chaps out the back with a FO Stubbs, (don't recall the chap
Is that the chap with quite a nice office near the IOT school?
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Old 26th Nov 2017, 12:37
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RAF 230 SQ Puma XW222 - is now in the Ulster Aviation Society hanger, outside Lisburn NI
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Old 26th Dec 2017, 16:05
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Rolled over?

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Yes Albert - I do indeed know what the categories are. The categories were as I stated and I do know what I helped repair.
The Harriers were both jobs that BAe turned down but "we" at 431 replaced both undercarriage mounting Beams and an integral water tank after a maintenance overpressurisation. The jobs took several years to complete.(mainly waiting for BAe to complete there tasks)

The Puma rolled over on the side of the river in Hameln and side skins, the Nose-Gear Box Structure and the Tail needed significant repairs. Giggest job was re-jigging the Barbeque Plate on the cabs roof inside the MU MT Hangar.

MARTSU (MASU) did not deploy to NW Europe which was the sole reserve of 431MU
I was the crewman onboard, not so much roll over but tail rotor failure on the approach to land, intermediate gearbox decided to stop playing resulting in a stunning arrival at LZ!
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Old 26th Dec 2017, 16:36
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intermediate gearbox decided to stop playing resulting in a stunning arrival at LZ!
The AS332 Super Pumas had overheat warnings for the inter and tailrotor gearboxes.

I wonder if Aerospatial knew about the problem already?

Was XW222 donated by Airbus helicopters? GTIGE, an ex Bristow 332L, which was traded in for a 225, fully serviceable but due for a Check 4 (the big one), was donated to the Helicopter Museum at Weston Super Mare.
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Old 27th Dec 2017, 11:26
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Biggest job was re-jigging the Barbeque Plate on the cabs roof inside the MU MT Hangar.
I had to do the alignment checks on a Puma Engine mounts using the scope thing and shims for the feet, It took ages and although i nearly got them spot on i couldn't get them perfectly aligned, in the end the question was asked and Aerospatial came back with what sight windows are you using?, it turned out there were two sets with different limits, one for in use after the thing had flexed and one for manufacture, the new tooling we got came with the manufacture sights fitted lol, after we got the correct sights it was spot on.
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Old 27th Dec 2017, 12:36
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Just found this thread. Log book tells me I first flew tremblers on 14 Feb72. The hours we spent trying to cure the vibe problem.
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Old 27th Dec 2017, 14:51
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I had to do the alignment checks on a Puma Engine mounts
You were probably using the alignment tool the Air Force 'borrowed' from Bristow in about 1980.
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Old 27th Dec 2017, 18:42
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Originally Posted by sparky5udr View Post
RAF 230 SQ Puma XW222 - is now in the Ulster Aviation Society hanger, outside Lisburn NI
Not all of it - I've got her green Decometer on my bedroom shelf (along with the 'Serviceable' label). Bought legally and above board, I hasten to add.
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Old 27th Dec 2017, 18:51
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Originally Posted by Q-SKI View Post
I was the crewman onboard, not so much roll over but tail rotor failure on the approach to land, intermediate gearbox decided to stop playing resulting in a stunning arrival at LZ!
Q-SKI, very long time no see!

I was brought in off leave to replace the pilot, aka "The flying vicar"!
You were damned lucky you hadn't picked up the usl because otherwise I reckon you'd have been in the Weser! When we arrived at the engineers park the aircraft was propped up by some long pieces of 4 by 2 with the port u/c hanging off.

The inter gearbox securing bolts hadn't been manufactured correctly, so torquing them up just caused the nuts to reach the ends of their threads, leaving the gearbox slightly loose on it's mounts and able to move until the Flector pack failed.

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Old 27th Dec 2017, 19:20
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I last flew XW231 in January 1994 and left the RAF shortly afterwards. Back then she was an OCU aircraft.

My last ever Puma flight was, rather ironically, an engineering airtest in the oldest Puma, XW198, in February 1994.
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Old 27th Dec 2017, 19:53
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Old 27th Dec 2017, 20:42
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Fifth from left is Jess Harker.

Now there's a name from the past!

Awfully nice bloke and one he'll of a fitter, among other things...
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