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After reading many a thread, especially this one on how I'm upset about this etc...
Who has put their money where their mouth is and PVR'd?
I have.
Who has put their money where their mouth is and PVR'd?
I have.
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AIDU you are missing the point. The RAF is losing many experienced people when it is possibly most overstressed it has been in the last 50 years. You cannot recruit experience. 
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I did, four years ago. My predictions of the future for the airforce, and me in it did not bode well. It even goes to show how little they care when PSF could not even arrange the "what would it take to keep you in" chat with the wobbly.
The first he knew of it was signing my leaving chit..........
The first he knew of it was signing my leaving chit..........
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AIDU said:
Your first couple of lines are contradictory, and I'm sure there is more than a little pique and hurt rejection in your tone. Yes, of course there are always still folk joining up, but erm.. yup, they don't have experience!!
I was like you once, ya boo to those who want to leave and we won't miss you when you're gone anyway etc etc. But now, with the benefit of hindsight and broader experience, I can see that I was blinkered and myopic. Rather than spurn those who have the audacity to say they want to leave, so that their pessimism doesn't cause a ripple of disscord through those who are staying (for whatever reason), the question 'why do they want to leave?' should be asked. I bet too, that their loss IS felt, although we never had fots on our crewroom walls, so I couldn't possibly comment about that.
I bet that the reasons are based not on personal hardship, but declining job satisfaction. I seem to recall, the first wave of redundancies saw lots of switched on guys wanting to leave, because they saw the way things were going, and it was no longer the RAF that they joined. I was obviously the exception to that rule, because I applied anyway, and was turned down. Receiving the letter in my icy sh#thole in NW Bosnia really spurred me on though, I don't mind telling you.
Rather than treat them like pariahs, if a tiny amount of work was done to retain a fraction of this skills loss, the benefits would be huge.
I understand and agree that you cannot recruit experience, but there are people still joining and there always will be. You make it sound like you are getting one up on the RAF by PVR'ing, they don't care and that is a shame. You will be forgotten as soon as your mug disappears from the mug board in the crew room. I understand that at this point in your personal circumstances it makes sense for you to leave, how you choose to leave is your choice. I bet you wouldn't leave if you didn't have a job to go to. I guess we will get the usual doom mongers saying I am wrong but unless it suits your circumstances in your life at this point people won't leave. How many are hanging on because of boarding school allowance etc. As for Al berr "I'm gonna soon" well you haven't and your statement is pointless.
I was like you once, ya boo to those who want to leave and we won't miss you when you're gone anyway etc etc. But now, with the benefit of hindsight and broader experience, I can see that I was blinkered and myopic. Rather than spurn those who have the audacity to say they want to leave, so that their pessimism doesn't cause a ripple of disscord through those who are staying (for whatever reason), the question 'why do they want to leave?' should be asked. I bet too, that their loss IS felt, although we never had fots on our crewroom walls, so I couldn't possibly comment about that.
I bet that the reasons are based not on personal hardship, but declining job satisfaction. I seem to recall, the first wave of redundancies saw lots of switched on guys wanting to leave, because they saw the way things were going, and it was no longer the RAF that they joined. I was obviously the exception to that rule, because I applied anyway, and was turned down. Receiving the letter in my icy sh#thole in NW Bosnia really spurred me on though, I don't mind telling you.
Rather than treat them like pariahs, if a tiny amount of work was done to retain a fraction of this skills loss, the benefits would be huge.
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Al old chap,
I think it is you who is a bit confused as you chastise AIDU with
"Your first couple of lines are contradictory, and I'm sure there is more than a little pique and hurt rejection in your tone. Yes, of course there are always still folk joining up, but erm.. yup, they don't have experience!!"
Where as AIDU opens with
" I understand and agree that you cannot recruit experience" not sure where the confusion is there
As for your popular misconception that people are ACTUALLY missed, well sorry but after over 30 years watching folk come and go I think you are wrong. On a personal level I often think of the characters I have had the pleasure of working with but on a professional note I live in the NOW and work with what I have in front of me.
Now as you are a civilian do you REALLY believe that anyone ACTUALLY misses you......................be honest with yourself
...........or is it that that grates most with you
I think it is you who is a bit confused as you chastise AIDU with
"Your first couple of lines are contradictory, and I'm sure there is more than a little pique and hurt rejection in your tone. Yes, of course there are always still folk joining up, but erm.. yup, they don't have experience!!"
Where as AIDU opens with
" I understand and agree that you cannot recruit experience" not sure where the confusion is there
As for your popular misconception that people are ACTUALLY missed, well sorry but after over 30 years watching folk come and go I think you are wrong. On a personal level I often think of the characters I have had the pleasure of working with but on a professional note I live in the NOW and work with what I have in front of me.
Now as you are a civilian do you REALLY believe that anyone ACTUALLY misses you......................be honest with yourself
...........or is it that that grates most with you
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I started the thread mentioned above, to see if there are people who felt the same way as I do. It would appear that there are.
I know airships monitor this forum, and until the thread fell into the usual barrage of personal bickering, there were some really good ideas brought forward, ideas that wouldn't cost a great deal, and may retain a few of us for a few more years.
It may have been naive of me, but I was hoping that some of those ideas could have been looked at, by those dealing with the retention problem.
I haven't PVR'd yet and I won't, as I have only a couple of years left, but I'm counting the days.
I would love to see something happen that would bring back the "Esprit de corps" that was part of RAF/Military life until recent times, and maybe if something happened sooner rather than later, it may change the minds of at least a few of us.
Maybe.......
I know airships monitor this forum, and until the thread fell into the usual barrage of personal bickering, there were some really good ideas brought forward, ideas that wouldn't cost a great deal, and may retain a few of us for a few more years.
It may have been naive of me, but I was hoping that some of those ideas could have been looked at, by those dealing with the retention problem.
I haven't PVR'd yet and I won't, as I have only a couple of years left, but I'm counting the days.
I would love to see something happen that would bring back the "Esprit de corps" that was part of RAF/Military life until recent times, and maybe if something happened sooner rather than later, it may change the minds of at least a few of us.
Maybe.......
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AIDU,
My statement is not pointless. I have made my mind up to leave and will do when it suits me and makes the best economic sense. This just happens to be 18 months from now.
Al R
Well said!
My statement is not pointless. I have made my mind up to leave and will do when it suits me and makes the best economic sense. This just happens to be 18 months from now.
Al R
Well said!
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Dear Seldom for for Purpose,
You forgot the bit by AIDU which said..
"I understand and agree that you cannot recruit experience.."
.. and which would have made my point a little clearer for you.
I'm sure that you do work with the 'Now', but you rather shot yourself in the foot when you said you missed people prior to typing that. Of course we work with what we've got.. we have no choice. The point being made is that what we've got isn't a patch on what it should/could be.
I imagine that people wouldn't miss me
, but as an NBC Instructor, a First Aid Instructor, a Jungle Warfare Instructor, a Arctic Warfare advisor, a Countersurveillance instructor, a Conduct after Capture Instructor, a weapons Instructor ad nauseum ad nauseum, I imagine Halton will be just chokka with the likes of me and my experience, all ready and able to fill my boots at the drop of a hat.
In his final para, Shawtarce hits the nail on the head.
You forgot the bit by AIDU which said..
"I understand and agree that you cannot recruit experience.."
.. and which would have made my point a little clearer for you.
I'm sure that you do work with the 'Now', but you rather shot yourself in the foot when you said you missed people prior to typing that. Of course we work with what we've got.. we have no choice. The point being made is that what we've got isn't a patch on what it should/could be.
I imagine that people wouldn't miss me
, but as an NBC Instructor, a First Aid Instructor, a Jungle Warfare Instructor, a Arctic Warfare advisor, a Countersurveillance instructor, a Conduct after Capture Instructor, a weapons Instructor ad nauseum ad nauseum, I imagine Halton will be just chokka with the likes of me and my experience, all ready and able to fill my boots at the drop of a hat.In his final para, Shawtarce hits the nail on the head.
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I took my 38/16 point as a result of exasperation with the system and wanting to take control of my own destiny. Once I'd made that decision, you start to see people in a different light - you realise just how many of the AIDUs of this world, with all their 'I love it, me' talk, are just plain scared to leave.
Mind you, if he's aircrew at Northolt, the leaving rate there means he'll be Stn Cdr by the end of next week.
Mind you, if he's aircrew at Northolt, the leaving rate there means he'll be Stn Cdr by the end of next week.