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Old 2nd Aug 2007, 10:50
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Originally Posted by PTT
"we need to reduce the delta on the afghan piece"
I'm more concerned about the use of "delta" in this context. Surely we want the "delta" to continue towards a more stable country?
Perhaps the delta was a canard.

Read almost any DLO, correction, DE&S publication and it abounds with this sort of bollox.
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Old 2nd Aug 2007, 11:36
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I'm intrigued by this Delta business and am content to show my ignorance. I'm aware that upper case Delta = diagnosis and am aware of the Delta market trend prediction tool.

WTF is the delta in a Service context?
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Old 2nd Aug 2007, 11:42
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WTF is the delta in a Service context?
See the numerous Vulcan threads.

I remember when VSO speech was an annual: "Got enough socks?"
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I always thought that the Greek letter "Delta" was a symbol for a change of rate (or is it rate of change.....). It now appears as "script" delta because of the lack of an obvious mathematical symbol on the keyboard.

Much the same as "Three kittens sliding off a roof - which one stays up the longest? The one with the greater mew of course".
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Old 2nd Aug 2007, 12:59
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Delta

Misuse of 'Delta' irritates me greatly. In science, delta is used to denote a change that is very small, perhaps too small to measure. People ignorantly using it to mean ANY difference are all too common: "There's an enormous Delta..." Why not just say difference?

Pedant.
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Old 2nd Aug 2007, 13:26
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On the same theme...............the word "absolutely"...is so overused. (GMTV ratings close up)

Why not just respond in the affirmative...a simple yes will suffice!
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On the same theme...............the word "absolutely"...is so overused.
How absofeckinlutely right you are, SJ.

While we're on jargon and my ignorance, can anyone explain BRAVO ZULU to me? I've only just got my tongue round BRAVO JULIET!
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Old 2nd Aug 2007, 13:57
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In science, delta is used to denote a change that is very small, perhaps too small to measure


Capital Δ refers to a generic difference while the lower case δ denotes a small change or amount.

I would now go and sit in pedant's corner were it not for the fact that a corner is a straight vertex and thus, having only 2 dimensions, has no inside.
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Old 2nd Aug 2007, 14:46
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BZ is a navy thing from the signal flags B and Z meaning Well Done. Dunno why they just didn't use W and D though.
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And here was I thinking it was something to do with Rourke's Drift where Michael Caine and Stanley Baker gave the locals a seeing to
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Lightbulb Bravo Zulu

Bravo Zulu originated in a NATO naval signals publication - can't remember the ACP (Allied Communications Publication) number. 165, 185 or something.
The book contains a series of flag codes - "England Expects" etc. The codes are used for flag hoists when ships are in visual range, at sea or in harbour, however, the code can be, and probably more often is, used on R/T.

"Bravo Zulu" decodes as "Well Done."

The code book is broken into various sections to do with specific warfare areas; minehunting anti-air, etc.

The book was reconstructed in the '80s, IIRC, and alot of codes had their meanings changed - except BZ which was so ingrained in the naval lexicon / jargon that it then appeared completely out of sequence. There were a few other codes that were so well known that they were / are used as jargon.

Hope this helps.
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It's good to hear that I'm not the only one in the Royal Air Force that is sick and tired of all these knob heads (my peers and above) using increasingly crap words and reinventing age old acronyms. For example in the air environment I always understood ILS to mean Instrumented Landing System, but it seems the knobbers have reinvented it as Integrated Logistic Solution - bull**** detector says shut up clown!

The examples are unfortunately endless - I guess we'll just have to manage the risks...
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Old 2nd Aug 2007, 22:00
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Grrr From the other side of the pond

One might find this interesting.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19999629/site/newsweek/


Which comes first? Sloppy thinking or Sloppy writing.

I happen to have an MBA and detest the jargon crutch.
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Old 2nd Aug 2007, 22:39
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Originally Posted by OCCWMF
TOG - perhaps a combination of both. We need a word to describe something that is both u/p and o/a. Discuss
Let's not talk about it.
Instead, we need a sea change to take a different tack, using a blue sky approach, by thinking outside the box to engage in a synergistic root and branch review to determine a holistic solution to such usage.

TOG
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How many of these have you seen in use by the High Powered Help???

That's very interesting -
I disagree.

I don't disagree -
I disagree.

I don't totally disagree with you -
You may be right, but I don't care.

You have to show some flexibility -
You have to do it whether you want to or not.

We have an opportunity -
You have a problem.

You obviously put a lot of work into this -
This is awful.

In a perfect world -
Just get it working and get it out the door.

Help me to understand -
I don't know what you're talking about, and I don't think you do either.

You just don't understand our business -
We don't understand our business.

You need to see the big picture -
My boss thinks it's a good idea.

We're going to follow a strict methodology here -
We're going to do it my way.

I didn't understand the e-mail you said you sent -
Can you give me a quick summary? I still can't figure out how to start the e-mail program.

Cost of ownership has become a significant issue in desktop computing -
We want all of the benefits and none of the costs. (C4I ..... you have been rumbled you knobs!)

We have to leverage our resources -
You're working weekends.

Individual contributor -
Employee who does real work.

Your project is on hold -
We've put a bullet in it.

Wrong answer -
You didn't tell me what I wanted to hear.

You needed to be more proactive -
You should have protected me from myself.

I'd like your buy-in on this -
I want someone else to blame when this thing bombs.

We want you to be the executive champion of this project -
I want to be able to blame you for my mistakes.

We need to syndicate this decision -
We need to spread the blame if it backfires.

We have to put on our marketing hats -
We have to put ethics aside.

It's not possible, it's impractical and it won't work -
I don't know how to do it.

It's a no-brainer -
It's a perfect decision for me to handle.

I'm glad you asked me that -
Public relations has written a carefully phrased answer.

I see you involved your peers in developing your proposal -
One person couldn't possibly come up with something this stupid.

There are larger issues at stake -
I've made up my mind so don't bother me with the facts.

I'll never lie to you -
The truth will change frequently.

Our business is going through a paradigm shift -
We have no idea what we've been doing, but in the future we shall do something completely different.

Value-added -
Expensive.

Human Resources -
A bulk commodity, like potatos.

The upcoming reductions will benefit the vast majority of employees -
The upcoming reductions will benefit me.
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Old 3rd Aug 2007, 11:28
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Thank you for bringing that to my attention-
So FTF do you expect ME to do?

Thank you for sharing that with me-
P off I have better things to do with my time than listen to you.

Here are the proposals for XXXXXX, brief me tomorrow on the salient points, 5 minutes should do-
Here is a 20 page document not a clue what it says and I couldn't care less. Tell me what I need to know and a minute's brief would be fine.

No rush-
anytime by 9 tomorrow

If you've got a moment can you pop up?
why aren't you in my office now?

Can I just have a word?
I don't care if you are busy just listen to me now.
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Old 3rd Aug 2007, 13:59
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To fully appreciate the finer points of today's lexicographical excesses, please make use of the following interweb site:

http://www.cynicalbastards.com/wankometer/

Considering some of the posts on this thread, it's not actually that wanky!

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Old 3rd Aug 2007, 14:08
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Originally Posted by PlasticCabDriver
To fully appreciate the finer points of today's lexicographical excesses, please make use of the follwing interweb site:

http://www.cynicalbastards.com/wankometer/
Staggering accuracy. I entered in a work website address and got over 6. Three other sits all registered 0.5
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Old 3rd Aug 2007, 14:23
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PCD

What a handy piece of kit! I also liked the Web Economy Bull**** Generator.

Got a presentation to do? 10 minutes on that site and you'll be talking bolleaux with the best of them!
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To fully appreciate the finer points of today's lexicographical excesses, please make use of the following interweb site:

http://www.cynicalbastards.com/wankometer/

Considering some of the posts on this thread, it's not actually that wanky!
The scores on the doors so far:

RAF Website - Wank factor 0.72 - low
Army Website - Wank factor 0.79 - low
RN Website - Wank factor 6.42 - high wankyness
MOD Website - Wank factor 6.42 - high wankyness

So what's the opinion - what does this say about the state of play? Have to say I am shocked by the RN scores, but completely unsurprised by the MOD's!
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