Temporary airway

[WorkingHard]

Ref: B1403/07
FIR: EGTT
Code: ARCA
Traffic: VFR IFR
Purpose: Immed. atten. aircraft operators PIB entry Operationally significant for flights
Scope: Enroute
Lower limit (FL): 050
Upper limit (FL): 200
Centre and radius (nm): 5301N00048W020
Parent ICAO: EGTT
Start date/time: 29/07/2007 10:25 UTC
End date/time: 29/07/2007 11:25 UTC
Activity period: null
Lower height limit: 050
Upper height limit: 200

TEMPORARY CONTROLLED AIRSPACE (CLASS A) ESTABLISHED AS FOLLOWS

TEMPORARY AIRWAY FM LESTA (524427N 0010419W) TO SCAMPTON TEMPO

CONTROLLED CTR CIRCLE 10NM RAD CENTRED ON SCAMPTON FL065/SFC

1030/1130. CONTROL AUTHORITY SCAMPTON ATC. CONTROL AUTHORITY

LACC/WAADINGTON ATC

AUS 07-07-0835/3059/AS6

Hi All,
Would someone be kind enough to explain this please? What am I missing that requires a temporary airway rather than a RA(T)?
Thanks

[whowhenwhy]

A non-tax-payer?

[WorkingHard]

Thanks www. Is one to presume you offer that same inane responses over the RT when you are working? Forgive me if your reply was in response to a different thread.

[On_The_Top_Bunk]

Thought this was going to be a first aid thread on tracheostomy.

Oh well

[Matt Skrossa]

Looks like a Royal Flight, hence www's subtle response of 'a non-tax payer'. A bit too early for you WH?

[Chilli Monster]

I thought the policy was to keep these flights inside CAS when established. With that in mind why hasn't it been routed North and East in the same way that Doncaster / Humberside arrivals are, with a temporary CTR around Scampton?

Instead you now have it routeing over a busy bit of class 'G', disrupting a busy parachute school and several busy flying training organisations, along with the rest of the "outside CAS" community.

Just for the sake of saving 5 minutes - which ar$e thought of that one!

[whowhenwhy]

Thanks Matt, with Bead Window in mind, I thought the oblique reference might be better!!! That said, I do try to be as inane as possible on the RT, is stops me taking life too seriously.

Chilli, have to admit that, knowing the policy that you described, I was a little surprised. It's not exactly going to save them a lot of time and the airspace flown through is distinctly busy on a Sunday. Perhaps it is something else? Wonder how many spotters reading this have got their long lenses en-route?

[WorkingHard]

www, I apolgise sincerely for taking the wrong view of your post. Just irritable after a long stint, no excuse so please accept the apology.
"Just for the sake of saving 5 minutes - which ar$e thought of that one! " said Chilli. Can anything be done about such matters?

[Toxteth O'Grady]

WH, maybe you should change to WorkingTooHard!



TOG

[WorkingHard]

TOG you are absolutely correct and a situation that I expect to change soon. The trouble is the "grumpy old man" syndrome keeps appearing and so far I have not found a cure for that. No suggestions please!

[Two's in]

Can anything be done about such matters?

Well the French came up with a solution to this in 1789, but as a serving member of HM Forces you may not want to go there.

[vecvechookattack]

Try this

http://www.republic.org.uk/

[WorkingHard]

Well, thanks but I dont wish to make the MONARCH history (most of the hangers on perhaps). What I was asking(as you know I'm sure) was what if anything can be done to stop the Class A nonsense because of how it affect others? Can anyone just have a notam to that effect? What if we all did similarly inconsiderate things? Who is going to Scampton anyway, the Queen, God bless her, or some unknown scrounging layabout?

[Two's in]

Even worse over here are Temporary Flight Restricted Areas (TFR's) which can appear with literally hours notice whenever George and Dicky decide to do a spot of sightseeing in the taxpayer's 747. Unless you spot it on the latest Notam, the first clue is a Bumfcuk, Idaho, National Guard F-16 playing tag.

[Molesworth Hold]

"Who is going to Scampton anyway, the Queen, God bless her, or some unknown scrounging layabout?"
From the British Monarchy web site: http://www.royal.gov.uk/output/page1.asp
Sunday, 29th July 2007
The Prince of Wales President, The Prince's Foundation for the Built Environment, will visit Lincoln Cathedral and meet students taking part in the Building Crafts Apprentices Programme Summer School, Lincoln Cathedral, Lincoln. His Royal Highness, Patron, The Cathedral Fellowships, will also meet apprentices attending the Cathedral Fellowships Annual Seminar, Lincoln Cathedral, Lincoln.
Not that hard to find out this kind if thing once you get a grip on this interweb thingy.

[vecvechookattack]

So, it wasn't a scrounging layabout but an adulterous, scrounging layabout instead

[Chilli Monster]

And I see we have another one

RAC : Q)EGTT/QARCA/IV/NBO/E/050/245/5201N00232W032 FROM 07/08/01 14:20 TO 07/08/01 15:20 B1441/07 E)TEMPORARY CONTROLLED AIRSPACE (CLASS A) ESTABLISHED AS FOLLOWS TEMPORARY AWY FM RETSI (523042N0025233W) TO MOSUN (515338N0022610W) FL245/FL100 1420/1515 THEN FM MOSUN TO MALBY (513533N0020342W) FL165/FL050 1425/1520. CONTROL AUTHORITY LACC/LYNEHAM ATC AUS 07-08-0214/3157/AS6 F)FL050 G)FL245


Anyone got any contacts in AUS to ask why?

[c-bert]

Excuse my ignorance gents, (being only a part time opsie) but are Royal Flights not a fairly common occurance? Why all the sudden interest in notams?

[chevvron]

c-bert; those old fogies are still living in the days of purple airspace which was FAR more restrictive than CAS-T.

[Chilli Monster]

c-bert

Reason for the interest is that policy for these flights is to use established CAS where it exists. Now in the space of 5 days we have 2 pieces of CAS-T established, with major impacts on other airspace users, when, for the sake of 5 minutes longer flight time, existing, established CAS could be used.

Someone, somewhere, is taking the pi$$