Neighbours war with wounded soldiers families
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Has one noticed how many of these pretentious tools have "headed note paper" saying "Tom and Penelope Farquar-Smyth" at the top?
It's a shame they're in an avoidance area or the poor loves could have their property prices dragged down by the unusually high number of low flying aircraft in the area.
If it was a drop-in for druggies, homeless types and/or prostitutes, I could understand their arguments. But this? And I bet they're still the kind of people who hate the Germans because "they killed our boys in the war" and still buy BMWs, because that's OK, isn't it?
OK, OK, I'm ranting, I shall stop but OOOOOOOOOOOOOOh it makes me angry.
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It's almost worth a whip round to buy the property and move the gypoes in ourselves...
It's a shame they're in an avoidance area or the poor loves could have their property prices dragged down by the unusually high number of low flying aircraft in the area.
If it was a drop-in for druggies, homeless types and/or prostitutes, I could understand their arguments. But this? And I bet they're still the kind of people who hate the Germans because "they killed our boys in the war" and still buy BMWs, because that's OK, isn't it?
OK, OK, I'm ranting, I shall stop but OOOOOOOOOOOOOOh it makes me angry.
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It's almost worth a whip round to buy the property and move the gypoes in ourselves...
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You state: I bet half the 'protesters' are retired colonels as well.
As a retired Colonel myself I take grave exception to your ignorant, bigotted, class hatred and envy laden remark.
Wait a mo, you're an RAF Navigator! And you live in Scotland. Sorry! How could you be expected to know any better. Cancel my last. Carry on the good work my boy!
You state: I bet half the 'protesters' are retired colonels as well.
As a retired Colonel myself I take grave exception to your ignorant, bigotted, class hatred and envy laden remark.
Wait a mo, you're an RAF Navigator! And you live in Scotland. Sorry! How could you be expected to know any better. Cancel my last. Carry on the good work my boy!
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We don't have to buy it just let or travelling bretheren know that it's up for grabs, they don't usually mind 'moving in' before the paperworks done anyway
We don't have to buy it just let or travelling bretheren know that it's up for grabs, they don't usually mind 'moving in' before the paperworks done anyway
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Piggies is an RAF Nav.... and your point is?
He lives in Scotland...Well servicemen live where they are sent..and your point is??
Did you take up a job as a bursar at a public school organising Gymkhanas in Surrey by any chance? Sorry you couldn't be expected to know any better! Carry on old boy!
Piggies is an RAF Nav.... and your point is?
He lives in Scotland...Well servicemen live where they are sent..and your point is??
Did you take up a job as a bursar at a public school organising Gymkhanas in Surrey by any chance?
Sorry you couldn't be expected to know any better! Carry on old boy!
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Looking at the surrounding terrain, I see plenty of opportunities for AAC anti-tank pop-up training, Langley Vale Golf Club has some particularly nice stands of trees. I'm sure various elements of the RAF would enjoy exercising in the area as well.
Multimap link. Might give the nimbys something to take their whingeing minds off Headley Court.
Multimap link. Might give the nimbys something to take their whingeing minds off Headley Court.
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My point is: this thread is about fighting bigotry. Perhaps throw away remarks about retired colonels, or even about school bursars, weakens the argument by being rather stupidly and unreasonably bigotted also. My reply, though I was irritated, was tongue in cheek. Yours clearly isn't. Focus my boy!
My point is: this thread is about fighting bigotry. Perhaps throw away remarks about retired colonels, or even about school bursars, weakens the argument by being rather stupidly and unreasonably bigotted also. My reply, though I was irritated, was tongue in cheek. Yours clearly isn't. Focus my boy!
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Having worked at Headley Court for three years I noticed the rampant NIMBYism of the area all the time.
To anyone unfamiliar with the unit a very busy 'cut through' commuter route runs right between the medical side of the site and the accommodation side and although quite severe speed ramps were installed to try and slow traffic down to give the quite often mobility impaired personnel crossing the road a fighting chance the large amount of 4x4 owners that used this route just made such efforts pointless. Alternatives were put to the council, the preferred one for the unit being the installation of a signal controlled crossing. After objections were raised by locals (it would spoil the character of the area apparently) the alternative was offered by the council, a foot bridge with stairs either side (ramps were a no-no as they would be too imposing on the scenery).
Of course it seems that the locals like to have their cake and eat it as although they seem to detest the roads when a marked RAF Police vehicle was delivered to the unit requests were put in that the patrol route be expanded to take in a greater proportion of the local area in order to provide a deterrent to thieves following a spate of horse tack thefts.
To anyone unfamiliar with the unit a very busy 'cut through' commuter route runs right between the medical side of the site and the accommodation side and although quite severe speed ramps were installed to try and slow traffic down to give the quite often mobility impaired personnel crossing the road a fighting chance the large amount of 4x4 owners that used this route just made such efforts pointless. Alternatives were put to the council, the preferred one for the unit being the installation of a signal controlled crossing. After objections were raised by locals (it would spoil the character of the area apparently) the alternative was offered by the council, a foot bridge with stairs either side (ramps were a no-no as they would be too imposing on the scenery).
Of course it seems that the locals like to have their cake and eat it as although they seem to detest the roads when a marked RAF Police vehicle was delivered to the unit requests were put in that the patrol route be expanded to take in a greater proportion of the local area in order to provide a deterrent to thieves following a spate of horse tack thefts.
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you were a burser weren't you
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Please explain how throw away remarks about RAF Navs and living in Scotland are tongue in cheek yet throw away remarks about Colonels and Bursars are bigoted
Is it one rule for one and another rule for the other?? Oh but wait a minute surely that would be bigoted!
I think Piggies may have been being lighthearted, as i know that he and other aviators here will be aware that most low flying complaints near an airfield are sent in by retired aircrew, hence his remark about Headley, but your comments are helping his point somewhat.
My point is: this thread is about fighting bigotry. Perhaps throw away remarks about retired colonels, or even about school bursars, weakens the argument by being rather stupidly and unreasonably bigotted also. My reply, though I was irritated, was tongue in cheek. Yours clearly isn't. Focus my boy!
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Piggies
You state: I bet half the 'protesters' are retired colonels as well.
As a retired Colonel myself I take grave exception to your ignorant, bigotted, class hatred and envy laden remark.
Wait a mo, you're an RAF Navigator! And you live in Scotland. Sorry! How could you be expected to know any better. Cancel my last. Carry on the good work my boy!
You state: I bet half the 'protesters' are retired colonels as well.
As a retired Colonel myself I take grave exception to your ignorant, bigotted, class hatred and envy laden remark.
Wait a mo, you're an RAF Navigator! And you live in Scotland. Sorry! How could you be expected to know any better. Cancel my last. Carry on the good work my boy!
Is it one rule for one and another rule for the other?? Oh but wait a minute surely that would be bigoted!I think Piggies may have been being lighthearted, as i know that he and other aviators here will be aware that most low flying complaints near an airfield are sent in by retired aircrew, hence his remark about Headley, but your comments are helping his point somewhat.
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H5N1 - During the last fire strike the Green Goddesses (and later, Red Goddesses) were based at Headley Court.
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I'm not sure how they can use 'too much traffic' as an objection though, Dene Lane to the north) is hammered as a rat run during the morning and evening rush hours, with folk using the area when travelling bewteen the Epsom Downs area and Leatherhead/M25.
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Tigs2,
Thank you
Yes, the 'retired air marshals and flying complaints' line did occur to me, but I couldn't see its relevance...
I'm not going to bait the Col Blimps any longer, at least not on this thread.
It will be interesting to see if the Surrey gentry win their cause, and if there is any national press reaction to it that leads to things happening.
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Yes, the 'retired air marshals and flying complaints' line did occur to me, but I couldn't see its relevance...
I'm not going to bait the Col Blimps any longer, at least not on this thread.
It will be interesting to see if the Surrey gentry win their cause, and if there is any national press reaction to it that leads to things happening.
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OK folks there is a lot going on concerning this on ARRSE and if you are interested it is well worth reading in on. At the moment it is upto 20 pages, i suggest from 15 onwards will do you. The boys have uncovered various things about people who are complaining who may have a vested interest (Directors of land procurement companies etc), so there could be a strioke of genius about to be played by Part-Time-Pongo.
The link for ARRSE is (as digininagain says)
http://www.arrse.co.uk/cpgn2/Forums/...c/t=72560.html
Here is a letter recieved by Cashbar on ARRSE from SSAFA
As PTP requested, if you support the campaign to get this sorted
The letters from the objectors are infuriating but we must not be seen to be bullying. Write from the heart, cool and calm, about the value of SSAFA, Headley court and its association with the area, and our need to support injured servicemen and to allow their families to do the same for them.
Polite letters of support could be E Mailed to:
Miss Lesley WESTPHAL
planning @ molevalley.gov.uk
Or to this link:
www.molevalley.gov.uk/.../2007/0863
Remember, if you wish to maintain PERSEC , your address must be on a separate sheet and the rider "Not for publication" added. Which tells them to withold your address from public view.
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can you or any other registered Goater cut and paste this in to their site, i have registered but I can't get in straight away.
The link for ARRSE is (as digininagain says)
http://www.arrse.co.uk/cpgn2/Forums/...c/t=72560.html
Here is a letter recieved by Cashbar on ARRSE from SSAFA
From SSAFA Forces Help:
SSAFA wishes to use the property in Ashstead in order to provide a residence for the immediate families of servicemen and women receiving treatment at the Defence Rehabilitation Centre at Headley Court.
The level and intensity of current operations in Afghanistan and Iraq have resulted in increased numbers of severely injured soldiers needing help. It is vital that they have the immediate support of loved ones at this critical time - it is proven to make a significant (positive) difference to the healing process.
The need is now. At present, there are inadequate facilities for the number of families that need to be close by. Therefore SSAFA needs to buy a property for the purpose rather than undertake a new build which is likely to take two or three years to complete.
The identified family house is modern, comfortable and able to be used immediately for the intended purpose as a 'home from home' for these families. It has six bedrooms and will not be extended in any way but will have minor alterations to facilitate disabled access.
In general, families will stay for a few days. It will not be a 'hotel' and it will not be a 'hostel' - no one is homeless. It will be run at cost and will not be a business.
An planning application has been made to Mole Valley Council because of the proposed change of use of the property.
Local residents have been consulted throughout the process. SSAFA wrote personally to those residents who live closest to the property. We subsequently replied individually to all letters that we received. We invited all residents to a briefing at Headley Court although many were unwilling or unable to attend. A subsequent briefing / meeting took place with the Ashstead Park Estate Management Co Ltd whose nominated representatives now represent the interests of all residents. No resident has been bullied.
SSAFA passionately believes that all soldiers should expect to be valued and respected and that they and their families should be fully supported. As a charity, we are 'needs led' - there is an immediate need to assist the families of injured servicemen and women recovering at Headley Court.
SSAFA wishes to use the property in Ashstead in order to provide a residence for the immediate families of servicemen and women receiving treatment at the Defence Rehabilitation Centre at Headley Court.
The level and intensity of current operations in Afghanistan and Iraq have resulted in increased numbers of severely injured soldiers needing help. It is vital that they have the immediate support of loved ones at this critical time - it is proven to make a significant (positive) difference to the healing process.
The need is now. At present, there are inadequate facilities for the number of families that need to be close by. Therefore SSAFA needs to buy a property for the purpose rather than undertake a new build which is likely to take two or three years to complete.
The identified family house is modern, comfortable and able to be used immediately for the intended purpose as a 'home from home' for these families. It has six bedrooms and will not be extended in any way but will have minor alterations to facilitate disabled access.
In general, families will stay for a few days. It will not be a 'hotel' and it will not be a 'hostel' - no one is homeless. It will be run at cost and will not be a business.
An planning application has been made to Mole Valley Council because of the proposed change of use of the property.
Local residents have been consulted throughout the process. SSAFA wrote personally to those residents who live closest to the property. We subsequently replied individually to all letters that we received. We invited all residents to a briefing at Headley Court although many were unwilling or unable to attend. A subsequent briefing / meeting took place with the Ashstead Park Estate Management Co Ltd whose nominated representatives now represent the interests of all residents. No resident has been bullied.
SSAFA passionately believes that all soldiers should expect to be valued and respected and that they and their families should be fully supported. As a charity, we are 'needs led' - there is an immediate need to assist the families of injured servicemen and women recovering at Headley Court.
In the first instance, can the PPRuners and EGoaters write their letters , in support of SSAFA and the work they do , and absolutely leave out any references to objectors. We are all better than them
Polite letters of support could be E Mailed to:
Miss Lesley WESTPHAL
planning @ molevalley.gov.uk
Or to this link:
www.molevalley.gov.uk/.../2007/0863
Remember, if you wish to maintain PERSEC , your address must be on a separate sheet and the rider "Not for publication" added. Which tells them to withold your address from public view.
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can you or any other registered Goater cut and paste this in to their site, i have registered but I can't get in straight away.
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civobs - Its not really the same NIMBYS I'm afraid.
Ashtead is the other side of the M25 from Headley Court (about three miles through winding lanes), the complaints about the crossing were from Tyrells Wood/Headley NIMBYS.
Ashtead is the other side of the M25 from Headley Court (about three miles through winding lanes), the complaints about the crossing were from Tyrells Wood/Headley NIMBYS.
