Air Traffic GODS : Please help ??
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Air Traffic GODS : Please help ??
ATC Dudes; please clarify--
When i flew FJ in the UK, it was accepatble to state on the R/T that (eg) FL 200 was ' FL two hundred'.
Now that I live /work in a country far-far away, they frown upon such R/T. Dunno why ?
My reply is that 'i though it was ICAO Standard' to say such....
So what is the right answer: FL2 Hundred or FL 2 zero-zero ?
Dull question, I know but help me out here....
You ATC Chaps must. must be able to clarify.
I've bet 1 x pint Stella Artois on it; so maybe i'm right, and wrong. Who knows ??
I await your guidance....
CM
When i flew FJ in the UK, it was accepatble to state on the R/T that (eg) FL 200 was ' FL two hundred'.
Now that I live /work in a country far-far away, they frown upon such R/T. Dunno why ?
My reply is that 'i though it was ICAO Standard' to say such....
So what is the right answer: FL2 Hundred or FL 2 zero-zero ?
Dull question, I know but help me out here....
You ATC Chaps must. must be able to clarify.
I've bet 1 x pint Stella Artois on it; so maybe i'm right, and wrong. Who knows ??
I await your guidance....
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Well the CAA R/T manual is CAP 413
You could try that online I guess.
When I taught R/T(admittedly 10 years back)
"Flight Level One Hundred" was correct practice but "Two Hundred" or "Three Hundred" were not.
Why? I cannot remember.
You could try that online I guess.
When I taught R/T(admittedly 10 years back)
"Flight Level One Hundred" was correct practice but "Two Hundred" or "Three Hundred" were not.
Why? I cannot remember.
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As far as UK is concerned the right words are FL1 hundred, FL2 hundred, etc.. , as camelspyyder states it's all in CAP 413, link below:
CAP 413
and para 1.2.3.d of Chapter 3 states:
Not sure what ICAO rules say.
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CAP 413
and para 1.2.3.d of Chapter 3 states:
d) When transmitting messages containing flight levels each digit shall be
transmitted separately. However, in an endeavour to reduce ‘level busts’ caused
by the confusion between some levels (100/110, 200/220 etc.), levels which are
whole hundreds e.g. FL 100, 200, 300 shall be spoken as “Flight level (number)
HUNDRED”. The word hundred must not be used for headings.
transmitted separately. However, in an endeavour to reduce ‘level busts’ caused
by the confusion between some levels (100/110, 200/220 etc.), levels which are
whole hundreds e.g. FL 100, 200, 300 shall be spoken as “Flight level (number)
HUNDRED”. The word hundred must not be used for headings.
Pie
The use of Flight Level One Hundred etc in the UK has been filed as a significant difference to standard ICAO phraseology - see CAP 413 Appendix 1 page 1.
So it looks like Craven has lost his pint. In fact make that two, because you now owe me one for finding the answer!
So it looks like Craven has lost his pint. In fact make that two, because you now owe me one for finding the answer!
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Craven may have a point: the following from ICAO Doc 9432-AN/925, Manual of Radiotelephony, 2nd Edition 1990 ( I don't have any subsequent amendments, there well be some).
"2.4.2 All numbers except whole hundreds, whole thousands and combinations of hundreds and whole hundreds shall be transmitted by pronouncing each digit separately. Whole hundreds and whole thousands shall be transmitted by pronouncing each digit in the number of hundreds or thousands followed by the word HUNDRED or THOUSAND as appropriate"
"2.4.2 All numbers except whole hundreds, whole thousands and combinations of hundreds and whole hundreds shall be transmitted by pronouncing each digit separately. Whole hundreds and whole thousands shall be transmitted by pronouncing each digit in the number of hundreds or thousands followed by the word HUNDRED or THOUSAND as appropriate"
I don't own this space under my name. I should have leased it while I still could
And the Standard pressure is ten thirteen whereas a low pressure QNH may be nine nine nine and a high one as one zero three two. Mmmm
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Thanks !
Chaps,
Thanks for these answers, but i'm still a bit confused
(prob 'cos i have such a small brain).
Spekesoftly: Stella x 2 next time we meet.
Cribble : I hope you're right ??
I think i'll just go with the Queens English !!!!
Thanks for these answers, but i'm still a bit confused
(prob 'cos i have such a small brain).Spekesoftly: Stella x 2 next time we meet.
Cribble : I hope you're right ??
I think i'll just go with the Queens English !!!!
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Easy :
Wherever you are : FL100 - "wun hundred"
UK : FL200, 300 etc : "two hundred, three hundred etc"
ICAO : FL200, 300 etc : "two zero zero, three zero zero etc"
(correct me if I am wrong)
Wherever you are : FL100 - "wun hundred"
UK : FL200, 300 etc : "two hundred, three hundred etc"
ICAO : FL200, 300 etc : "two zero zero, three zero zero etc"
(correct me if I am wrong)
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PBA & Buoy
There is no back story to this, nor do any NOTAMS need writing.
Its just an annoying IRE (surely all IRE's are annoying ?) needs setting straight so as the Royal Air Force prove their R/T is correct.
There is no back story to this, nor do any NOTAMS need writing.
Its just an annoying IRE (surely all IRE's are annoying ?) needs setting straight so as the Royal Air Force prove their R/T is correct.
