FRI's for SAR rearcrew?
There are a number of issues here, and 75k will not solve all of them. It would be nice but the chances of it happening......
If it is a time through trg problem, why not employ a paramedic within the crew? Remove the excessive trg burden and employ the rearcrew for flying and a medic for the blood and guts?
My understanding is that the SAR Force is in existance to support mil ops; therefore, anything else is a bonus. So, the unfortunate who is stuck on a cliff or in a gail force storm etc, get what they are given, and if it is a scoop and run sortie, so be it.
Going back to the 75k, if the NCA within the SAR Force are not happy with their lot, maybe they could return to the CHK, ME or the Pu. Then a whole 10 shifts per month wont be so bad!!!!!!!
If it is a time through trg problem, why not employ a paramedic within the crew? Remove the excessive trg burden and employ the rearcrew for flying and a medic for the blood and guts?
My understanding is that the SAR Force is in existance to support mil ops; therefore, anything else is a bonus. So, the unfortunate who is stuck on a cliff or in a gail force storm etc, get what they are given, and if it is a scoop and run sortie, so be it.
Going back to the 75k, if the NCA within the SAR Force are not happy with their lot, maybe they could return to the CHK, ME or the Pu. Then a whole 10 shifts per month wont be so bad!!!!!!!
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Let's not be divided over this...
There's absolutely no point in arguing over the merit of one group or skill set being offered an FRI...the truth is that we're all hurting and the Airlines and civilian helicopter companies are all ramping up, most with offers which are very hard to resist. With every single person that leaves, the rest of us are left to pick up the increased burden. The first recipients of FRI2 are now reaching the end of the 5 year 'lock in' period, what will they do then?
If we fight amongst each other, pointlessly arguing over who is hurting the most then we will be divided and conquered.
The top brass need to wise up to the fact that we are hemorrhaging good guys like blood from a hemophiliac (whole SH crews, Nimrod QFI's, Truckies, SAR crews, fast jet mates and I gather the AAC are not at all happy at the moment) - and if the military can't solve the problems which are pushing people out, then they should at least compensate us ALL for the shared pain.
I say FRI for ALL aircrew and pensionable flying pay for ALL.
Megawart
Oh! And another thing before I forget! If we're all doing our own administration now (JPA), how come the X-Factor was not increased to compensate for all of the extra work?
If we fight amongst each other, pointlessly arguing over who is hurting the most then we will be divided and conquered.
The top brass need to wise up to the fact that we are hemorrhaging good guys like blood from a hemophiliac (whole SH crews, Nimrod QFI's, Truckies, SAR crews, fast jet mates and I gather the AAC are not at all happy at the moment) - and if the military can't solve the problems which are pushing people out, then they should at least compensate us ALL for the shared pain.
I say FRI for ALL aircrew and pensionable flying pay for ALL.
Megawart
Oh! And another thing before I forget! If we're all doing our own administration now (JPA), how come the X-Factor was not increased to compensate for all of the extra work?
Could be - an NHS paramedic earns less than £20K, do you really think they will be queueing up to fly (with all the attendant dangers) without being paid as much as a SAR winchman? If you then say that they don't need to go on the wire, who will stabilise the casualty (needing medical skills to do so) before they are winched up to the helo.
If only it were just a pay thing - but the mismanagement of rearcrew by PMA and the constant dicking around to fill the shift plot instead of admitting there is a problem and being more flexible with seconds are equal contributors to their PVR rate.
Just remember, we are only stretched, not overstretched.........bo**ocks
If only it were just a pay thing - but the mismanagement of rearcrew by PMA and the constant dicking around to fill the shift plot instead of admitting there is a problem and being more flexible with seconds are equal contributors to their PVR rate.
Just remember, we are only stretched, not overstretched.........bo**ocks
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Crab
Careful with kissing off seconds there. Its been a cornerstone of your argument elsewhere.
But you do have a point.
NVJ
And its not just lack of a hoist that limits air ambulances. Hoist requires trained crew, equipment and aircraft performance to match, all of which costs a great deal of money. Likely the wrong side of the cost-benefit analysis for most air ambulances (which are charities remember - they probably dream about having the military's funding problems). Also air ambulances, with a 2 and a bit ton downwash and a 30-odd ft rotor diameter, can go lots of places you wouldn't want to put a Sea King.
Sven
Careful with kissing off seconds there. Its been a cornerstone of your argument elsewhere.
But you do have a point.
NVJ
And its not just lack of a hoist that limits air ambulances. Hoist requires trained crew, equipment and aircraft performance to match, all of which costs a great deal of money. Likely the wrong side of the cost-benefit analysis for most air ambulances (which are charities remember - they probably dream about having the military's funding problems). Also air ambulances, with a 2 and a bit ton downwash and a 30-odd ft rotor diameter, can go lots of places you wouldn't want to put a Sea King.
Sven
If it is a time through trg problem, why not employ a paramedic within the crew? Remove the excessive trg burden and employ the rearcrew for flying and a medic for the blood and guts?
Going back to the 75k, if the NCA within the SAR Force are not happy with their lot, maybe they could return to the CHK, ME or the Pu. Then a whole 10 shifts per month wont be so bad!!!!!!!
Sven62, I take your point re 2nds but the rearcrew plot is broken and every injury or personal problem just twists the knife - I have discovered in the past that the only way to get something changed in the military is by failing to achieve the task - then the career-minded take notice!
Maybe we should just admit defeat and go for the £70K, 8 shifts a month, no 2nds, nights spent at home if you live close enough, no Falklands, no threat of SH plus extra cash if the shift plot changes - which appears to be the tragic lot of the MCA crews
Maybe we should just admit defeat and go for the £70K, 8 shifts a month, no 2nds, nights spent at home if you live close enough, no Falklands, no threat of SH plus extra cash if the shift plot changes - which appears to be the tragic lot of the MCA crews
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Crab at SAVN don't be so arrogant to think that the MCA would want you. The service to the MCA is likely to be provided by either Bristows or CHC - both of these companies watch your negative comments regarding civilian SAR (existing / transistion / harmonisation) on a regular basis; and like me are bored to tears of you and your twisted opinions!
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Now then, NavyTorque, quite a few of us know who Crab is, for better or for worse!!!! But to disrobe him to the masses is really not cricket. 
Would you care to remove your mask for us all see, rather than hiding behind a Nom de Prune?
No? Then feel well and truely chastised.
Would you care to remove your mask for us all see, rather than hiding behind a Nom de Prune?
No? Then feel well and truely chastised.
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No names, no pack drill
Very offside NavyTorque, those of us who know Crab respect him as an excellent pilot/captain/instructor. He may be opinionated but he has the best interests of SAR at heart. Besides how do you know what Bristows/CHC etc think? Back in your box or clear off back to sea.
Oh No!!! I have been outed on PPrune, how will I ever cope?
NavyTorque - if you ever bothered to try and understand what I have written in my posts you might find I am not 'anti' anyone but that I have just stood up for the capabilities of RAFSAR (and the Navy on occasion).
Sarboy99 - thanks for that - the cheque's in the post
NavyTorque - if you ever bothered to try and understand what I have written in my posts you might find I am not 'anti' anyone but that I have just stood up for the capabilities of RAFSAR (and the Navy on occasion).
Sarboy99 - thanks for that - the cheque's in the post
