R.A.F Navigator Badges
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R.A.F Navigator Badges
Hey all
i was searching ebay for a Navigator badge, and i have come across two in the past. It may sound sad but im hoping to buy one which was used for a tornado navigator. the badges in the links below are the two im either going to go for, but can any one tell me which badge is msot commonly used on Tornado Navigators flying suits or are they both used.
many thanks Futurnav
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i was searching ebay for a Navigator badge, and i have come across two in the past. It may sound sad but im hoping to buy one which was used for a tornado navigator. the badges in the links below are the two im either going to go for, but can any one tell me which badge is msot commonly used on Tornado Navigators flying suits or are they both used.
many thanks Futurnav
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Most younger navs I see these days seem to have a fancier WSO brevet with RAF in the middle. Not too up to speed with "nav stuff" but I think I can safety say you will not get an "N" brevet.
Have you looked at the e-bay thread - some of those are Tornado guys.
Have you looked at the e-bay thread - some of those are Tornado guys.
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Futurenav,
In the past we wore the brevet alone. It was then possible to get a US leather patch with pilots wings and gold blocking but not for rear crew. Also we could not afford anything too fancy.
From the 60s but increasingly in the 70s onward we wear the name patch. Originally these were as shown, a simple black/white. We could wear the same badge from sqn to sqn. From the late 80s it became common for each sqn to have its own style of name badge.
As a nav stude they had some dark blue and red edged concoction. Another sqn had a royal blue, another tartan, another red/green and so on.
It is quite likely that no Tornado sqns have the patch you show.
PS, I forgot to add, the plain brevet is worn with uniform.
In the past we wore the brevet alone. It was then possible to get a US leather patch with pilots wings and gold blocking but not for rear crew. Also we could not afford anything too fancy.
From the 60s but increasingly in the 70s onward we wear the name patch. Originally these were as shown, a simple black/white. We could wear the same badge from sqn to sqn. From the late 80s it became common for each sqn to have its own style of name badge.
As a nav stude they had some dark blue and red edged concoction. Another sqn had a royal blue, another tartan, another red/green and so on.
It is quite likely that no Tornado sqns have the patch you show.
PS, I forgot to add, the plain brevet is worn with uniform.
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Brevet before it's been awarded? - bad juju, don't do it!
But, as a point of interest, you won't get an 'N' brevet anymore, just a plain 'RAF' one. More's the pity!
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But, as a point of interest, you won't get an 'N' brevet anymore, just a plain 'RAF' one. More's the pity!
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I have seen most, if not all, recent WSO studes on multis sqns are invited to wear the N brevet rather than the RAF one they have been presented, this being kept for 1s and 5s.
This seems to apply to the ALMs too, after all, on a Tonka Sqn its obvious who is who, but with possibly 3 people on an a/c with RAF Brevet it makes sense.
This seems to apply to the ALMs too, after all, on a Tonka Sqn its obvious who is who, but with possibly 3 people on an a/c with RAF Brevet it makes sense.
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... hmmmmm
but apart from where specified in regulations, (ie Observers wearing Nav brevets and Navs etc etc etc wearing WSO/WSOp brevets), surely you cannot just wear a brevet you haven't been awarded, on the principle that you would have had one if you'd trained earlier??
Or can I put up King's or RFC wings?? Or Navs the "Flying O"?? Or AEOps a Sig brevet???
... err and you need to look at the brevet to know who does what ????
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I have seen most, if not all, recent WSO studes on multis sqns are invited to wear the N brevet rather than the RAF one they have been presented, this being kept for 1s and 5s.
but apart from where specified in regulations, (ie Observers wearing Nav brevets and Navs etc etc etc wearing WSO/WSOp brevets), surely you cannot just wear a brevet you haven't been awarded, on the principle that you would have had one if you'd trained earlier??
Or can I put up King's or RFC wings?? Or Navs the "Flying O"?? Or AEOps a Sig brevet???
but with possibly 3 people on an a/c with RAF Brevet it makes sense.
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... err and you need to look at the brevet to know who does what ????
PS, for an AEOp on the kipper fleet the inevitable question was wet or dry.
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If you want an RAF Nav brevet, they are now sold in the RAF Museum at Cosford.
Surely, under QRs, you are authorised to wear the badge stated on your Brevet Certificate - and that, nowadays, is the WSO brevet.
End of story.
I'm sure the oldskool RAFG Nav mafia will have something to say about that though!
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Surely, under QRs, you are authorised to wear the badge stated on your Brevet Certificate - and that, nowadays, is the WSO brevet.
End of story.
I'm sure the oldskool RAFG Nav mafia will have something to say about that though!
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A Walt in the making!
Perhaps I should wear the Sun with Rays of Edward Earl of March because had I been in the forces in 1460 then there is a good chance that I would have been wearing his Livery. (He became Edward IV in 1461 by the way, but that is thread creep).
Perhaps I should wear the Sun with Rays of Edward Earl of March because had I been in the forces in 1460 then there is a good chance that I would have been wearing his Livery. (He became Edward IV in 1461 by the way, but that is thread creep).
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Surely, under QRs, you are authorised to wear the badge stated on your Brevet Certificate - and that, nowadays, is the WSO brevet.
End of story.
End of story.
As I alluded to above, in the (very rare) circumstances where a brevet changes, those awarded the old one may choose to wear the new one - but never the other way round So only works for observers (RAF) to navigators, siggies to AEOps and King's Wings to Queen's - and of course all single wings now to WSO/WSOp.
You can also wear any wings/brevet you've been awarded, not just the latest ..... dunno why you'd want to ....
And more wings triv: RAF and Army wings may by regulation (if entitled) be worn on the "other" uniform, but never RN wings on any other uniform (apart from RM) or any other wings on RN uniform. Saw some army wings on an RAF uniform not too many years ago in fact ........
..... she wore them well!
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Of course, proper pilots' wings are worn on the sleeve................
Also, I'm quite surprised that noone has so far pointed out that 'navigator' is actually an anagram of 'vagina rot'. Thought you ought to know.
Also, I'm quite surprised that noone has so far pointed out that 'navigator' is actually an anagram of 'vagina rot'. Thought you ought to know.
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"Brevet Certificate" - quess ker say?
My Brevet was slapped on my chest in 72 using bits of velcro, but I never got a certificate - only a Flyg Clothing logbook!
Teeters - not quite true!
I know of, and worked for, a sycophant Kipper Nav who did a Flt Lt tour on a RN Carrier and wore (and probably still does) the FAA wings on the cuff of his No1's and No 5's long after he had re-joined the Nimrod fleet
When challenged, he provided a very convincing and arrogant answer which even convinced 4 Stn Cdrs at home and abroad
Determined to impress, his years as a Sqn Ldr were only surpassed by the number of secondary duties he volunteered for, and now, sadly, he has been promoted to Wg Cdr
"Brevet Certificate" - quess ker say?
My Brevet was slapped on my chest in 72 using bits of velcro, but I never got a certificate - only a Flyg Clothing logbook!
Teeters - not quite true!
I know of, and worked for, a sycophant Kipper Nav who did a Flt Lt tour on a RN Carrier and wore (and probably still does) the FAA wings on the cuff of his No1's and No 5's long after he had re-joined the Nimrod fleet
When challenged, he provided a very convincing and arrogant answer which even convinced 4 Stn Cdrs at home and abroad
Determined to impress, his years as a Sqn Ldr were only surpassed by the number of secondary duties he volunteered for, and now, sadly, he has been promoted to Wg Cdr
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My kipper fleet skipper wore two brevets.
His pilot's brevet above the left lapel and his Engineer's brevet
behind the left lapel
His pilot's brevet above the left lapel and his Engineer's brevet
behind the left lapel
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I've seen an RN officer wear wings gained in the Army.
He was ex Para RMP (TA) and he correctly wore his para wings on his No. 5s. He and I joined BRNC on the same day in the same Flight, but he was chopped at Roborough. The only other person at Dartmouth (at the time) to wear para wings was the Captain of the College, who was ex NGS FOO.
He was ex Para RMP (TA) and he correctly wore his para wings on his No. 5s. He and I joined BRNC on the same day in the same Flight, but he was chopped at Roborough. The only other person at Dartmouth (at the time) to wear para wings was the Captain of the College, who was ex NGS FOO.
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Teeters -
ISTR a certain Master team leader at HQ 1Gp MAOTs, (initials JM), who wore a QM brevet. On his 1950s Thunderbirds jacket, with a bazillion medal ribbons and his rank on his sleeve. This would have been early 90s.
We never knew what his rank actually was, MACR, MALM or what. Just sir!
ISTR a certain Master team leader at HQ 1Gp MAOTs, (initials JM), who wore a QM brevet. On his 1950s Thunderbirds jacket, with a bazillion medal ribbons and his rank on his sleeve. This would have been early 90s.
We never knew what his rank actually was, MACR, MALM or what. Just sir!