Are Master Aircrew Warrant Officers?
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Maybe if we answer our american allies original question he will fekk off and let this thread die
Are Master Aircrew Warrant Officers?
For all intents and purposes - Yes because they hold the same Royal Warrant as a Warrant Officer
Are there any differences - Yes - All Warrant Officers were Corporals, some MACR's may have been Corporals
Are Master Aircrew Warrant Officers?
For all intents and purposes - Yes because they hold the same Royal Warrant as a Warrant Officer
Are there any differences - Yes - All Warrant Officers were Corporals, some MACR's may have been Corporals
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Nice post but then it got silly
"Are there any differences - Yes - All Warrant Officers were Corporals, some MACR's may have been Corporals"
You could also add to that that some Warrant Officers and MAcr's were SAC's whilst some others were not which, by the well worn inference you are trying to use means that the non SAC types are not as qualified.......catch my drift
Nice post but then it got silly
"Are there any differences - Yes - All Warrant Officers were Corporals, some MACR's may have been Corporals"
You could also add to that that some Warrant Officers and MAcr's were SAC's whilst some others were not which, by the well worn inference you are trying to use means that the non SAC types are not as qualified.......catch my drift
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all Warrant Officers were Corporals is a fact,
However, while some Warrant Officers and MACR's could have been SAC's not all Warrant Officers were SAC's as Direct Entrants and Craft Apprentices passed out of training as Jnr Techs nor would all Warrant Officers have been Jnr Techs as Supertechs passed out of training as Corporals up until the early 70's
all Warrant Officers were Corporals is a fact,
However, while some Warrant Officers and MACR's could have been SAC's not all Warrant Officers were SAC's as Direct Entrants and Craft Apprentices passed out of training as Jnr Techs nor would all Warrant Officers have been Jnr Techs as Supertechs passed out of training as Corporals up until the early 70's
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All Warrant Officers were not Corporals!
Sorry to have to correct you but....
Corporal was the only rank I skipped when I transferred from ground radar to aircrew (went from JT to sergeant).
Corporal was the only rank I skipped when I transferred from ground radar to aircrew (went from JT to sergeant).
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Been resisting but can do so no longer - just had to join in.
I believe that the distinction that has been alluded to is that a WO, particularly an ex-ac tradesman, will have taken approx 25-30 years to attain his rank. Hard fought years gaining massive experience as a Junior airman, JNCO and then graduating through the SNCO cadre.
Not that I am inferring any less honour to the MACRs but anyone who has been a MACR for 20 years - and still serving - is either 80 years old or was promoted to MACR after approx 10-12 years service.
I believe that the distinction that has been alluded to is that a WO, particularly an ex-ac tradesman, will have taken approx 25-30 years to attain his rank. Hard fought years gaining massive experience as a Junior airman, JNCO and then graduating through the SNCO cadre.
Not that I am inferring any less honour to the MACRs but anyone who has been a MACR for 20 years - and still serving - is either 80 years old or was promoted to MACR after approx 10-12 years service.
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all Warrant Officers were Corporals is a fact,
Wind the clock back 30+ years there was a window of opportunity to remuster as a Court Stenographer. Memory is hazy here and I can’t remember if the window was open to all or just TG17. Again hazy memory but SAC’s on qualifying went direct to FS and Cpls to WO therefore an SAC could make WO without passing through corporal rank.
Sod all to do with MAcr but then again a lot on this thread misses the point.
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18 year old does 10 years as an airman, remuster; FS after 12 yrs (24months training?). 30 years old. Macr in another 7? 37yrs old. Retire at 55, with 18 years' seniority.
Might just do it, but my memory of the time promotion of old is a bit hazy, as is whether 16-18 counts for service.
CG
Might just do it, but my memory of the time promotion of old is a bit hazy, as is whether 16-18 counts for service.
CG
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Been resisting but can do so no longer - just had to join in.
I believe that the distinction that has been alluded to is that a WO, particularly an ex-ac tradesman, will have taken approx 25-30 years to attain his rank. Hard fought years gaining massive experience as a Junior airman, JNCO and then graduating through the SNCO cadre.
Not that I am inferring any less honour to the MACRs but anyone who has been a MACR for 20 years - and still serving - is either 80 years old or was promoted to MACR after approx 10-12 years service.
I believe that the distinction that has been alluded to is that a WO, particularly an ex-ac tradesman, will have taken approx 25-30 years to attain his rank. Hard fought years gaining massive experience as a Junior airman, JNCO and then graduating through the SNCO cadre.
Not that I am inferring any less honour to the MACRs but anyone who has been a MACR for 20 years - and still serving - is either 80 years old or was promoted to MACR after approx 10-12 years service.
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So gents....heads up all Air Force Other Ranks, WO's and Officers hereChief_Two wrote from the USA by the way
The USAF stopped their Warrant Officer program in 1958 when the E8 and E9 (Chief Master Sergeant) grades were introduced.
Sorry to disappoint you but I have no intention of retiring. It's a pleasure and an honor to be able to serve my country as a Commissioned Warrant Officer.
Bring out the popcorn and yeast..or better yet let's drop the subject and go flying
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Hard fought years gaining massive experience as a Junior airman, JNCO
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MAcr by age 32 - this guy is obviously a very capable 'high flyer' who now has 23 years at the same rank to look forward to, unless he gets commissioned (providing he's not PAS of course). How will the RAF maintain the motivation of outstanding individuals such as this and retain them to age 55 ? The commissioned rank structure (and associated pay levels) provides obvious incentive for officers' career paths. I'm not aware of any officers that have been promoted to Air Chief Marshall with 23 years left to serve ! One solution would be to align NCA ranks to those of ground airmen. This is clearly barking mad. The only sensible solution is to remove all the bars within PAS as more cash = motivation + retention. If an individual fails to perform to a required standard (on an annual basis through SJAR), then he or she does not progress the the next PAS level.
Can anyone provide a logical justification as to why these max PAS levels should not be scrapped immediately ? Answers on a postcard to CAS please, or just reply to this post.
Can anyone provide a logical justification as to why these max PAS levels should not be scrapped immediately ? Answers on a postcard to CAS please, or just reply to this post.
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Thanks for that Chief, but I think all MAcr would settle for the financial incentive of being able to reach the highest Professional Aviator Pay Spine increment levels. I've got a hunch that all PAS aircrew (other than commissioned pilots) would also be in favour of scrapping the increment level bars. Our 'high flying aviators' will then have an earning power up to about $130,000 of your Disney dollars, which is what we refer to in the UK as "nice".
All those in favour say 'Aye' or click on the link below:
http://www.10DowningStreetPetitions/Scrap-PAS-Increment-Bars.htm
All those in favour say 'Aye' or click on the link below:
http://www.10DowningStreetPetitions/Scrap-PAS-Increment-Bars.htm
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