Aircrew training from the ranks
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Aircrew training from the ranks
Good evening,
I just wondered is it possible to go for aircrew training if you are a serving ground trade in the RAF? What qualifications are required and what sort of age limits are there? (upper age for pilot is 23, does that still count if already serving?)
I thank you all in advance.
Dan
I just wondered is it possible to go for aircrew training if you are a serving ground trade in the RAF? What qualifications are required and what sort of age limits are there? (upper age for pilot is 23, does that still count if already serving?)
I thank you all in advance.
Dan
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Aircrew Training
As long as you meet the qualifications requirements for Direct Entry (DE) Aircrew, you are able to attend OASC to attempt selection as a Serving Airman.
I am pretty sure that the upper age limit for Pilot/WSO is 32 for serving airmen and the upper age limit for WSOp is 39 (worth checking these as its been just over 2 years since I came through).
Something I am not sure of (as I transferred from another service) is whether Serving Airmen have to attend briefings and pre-OASC interviews at an AFCO.
Your Sqn admin staff should be able to offer you guidance as to which AP's hold the information you need.
I am pretty sure that the upper age limit for Pilot/WSO is 32 for serving airmen and the upper age limit for WSOp is 39 (worth checking these as its been just over 2 years since I came through).
Something I am not sure of (as I transferred from another service) is whether Serving Airmen have to attend briefings and pre-OASC interviews at an AFCO.
Your Sqn admin staff should be able to offer you guidance as to which AP's hold the information you need.
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Do it chap, I did. 
OK, so maybe I'm not a good example of what can be achieved, but there are plenty of ex-rankers who’ve done well. OC Tremblers for example; I mean, he was a Rock Ape.
Joking apart, go for it. You’ll kick yourself in the future if you don’t try and you'll end up boring people with ‘I could’ve been’ stories. Good luck
MOG
OK, so maybe I'm not a good example of what can be achieved, but there are plenty of ex-rankers who’ve done well. OC Tremblers for example; I mean, he was a Rock Ape.
Joking apart, go for it. You’ll kick yourself in the future if you don’t try and you'll end up boring people with ‘I could’ve been’ stories. Good luck
MOG
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Yes, I always had a desire to do it however when I signed up I didn't have Maths GCSE! I do now however, and I am sick to death of being in the RAFP. I was definatly suckered into that at the AFCO. I would like to think I could have a go for my commission and officer aircrew. I am only 21 so still have loads of time. Would I need to sit A levels for officer aircrew?? I'm pretty sure I will, but like I say if the age cut off is 32 I have loads of time.
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Dan
Give it a go. Two of the best pilots I ever flew with were ex-airmen aircraft engineers - one a sooty the other a plumber. Both were quite long time serving corporals when they went for their wings courses. Good luck.
Give it a go. Two of the best pilots I ever flew with were ex-airmen aircraft engineers - one a sooty the other a plumber. Both were quite long time serving corporals when they went for their wings courses. Good luck.
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Dano, if you go along to your Learning Centre and speak to the Education Officer he/she will be able to answer all of your questions. You might even find that they run a Commissioning club which will be of benefit to you.
55Sqn at RAF Cranwell also run a monthly visit for prospective NCA and again you might want to go on this to see if the NCA route might be of interest to you.
55Sqn at RAF Cranwell also run a monthly visit for prospective NCA and again you might want to go on this to see if the NCA route might be of interest to you.
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Dan,
Go for it mate. I am a rigger 31 years old this month and have OASC on the 10th July for NCA selection.
You dont have to do A levels for NCA, 5 GCSE's including maths and a science. Speak to PSF there is a pack they will give you with various forms and go to the careers office as this is where your application is processed. It can take a while for all of the paperwork to get sorted and you have to get manning clearance from you trade also. As for upper age limit 32 for NCA. Ring around some units and go and visit them, in the last 12 months i have been to 4 different stations and had a superb time at each getting advice and flying. 55 at cranwell also do a famil visit on the last thursday of each month, well worth it.
Hope this helps mate.
Go for it mate. I am a rigger 31 years old this month and have OASC on the 10th July for NCA selection.
You dont have to do A levels for NCA, 5 GCSE's including maths and a science. Speak to PSF there is a pack they will give you with various forms and go to the careers office as this is where your application is processed. It can take a while for all of the paperwork to get sorted and you have to get manning clearance from you trade also. As for upper age limit 32 for NCA. Ring around some units and go and visit them, in the last 12 months i have been to 4 different stations and had a superb time at each getting advice and flying. 55 at cranwell also do a famil visit on the last thursday of each month, well worth it.
Hope this helps mate.
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Thanks for all your relpies. Im going to speak to the right people this week and start the ball rolling. Im not sure weather they will want to let another Copper leave!! I have enjoyed my time though, but I really need a change and I feel that Aircrew is the way forward. What are crewing levels like for Wsops?
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No comment on the 'world would be a better place' comment!! However sometimes we don't do ourselves any favours!! To be honest right at the moment I would be happy to be posted to a flying station!!! I will be having a word on Monday morning. I will let you know how I get on! Any ALMs here? Any advice would be great, unsure on what the role entails to be honest!! Do you get a choice (what am I talking about, no one gets a choice in the RAF!!) on RW or FW? Thanks!
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The upper age limit for sreving airman in ground trades is 27, for NCA wishing to transfer to pilot/WSOP the limit is 32 on the start of training, ie Cranwell. I know because I waited too long to apply and would have been 5 weeks too old for pilot on commencing IOT...Would have failed the survival phase... I like my food!
Eng now so not all bad!!
Eng now so not all bad!!
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Im a loady on heli's mate and i have a few trade mates going for NCA. I went through training with a re-tread who was 34... so don't worry about running out of time! Plus i've recently looked into comissioning. You do not need a-levels to commission from the ranks, but need at least 2 (or equivalent) to join from civvy street. In regards to NCA aircrew, you will need a couple of gcse's probably maths and a science, but of course the more the better for selling yourself to OASC...
Don't sit on your laurels though as someone previously said. Too many people say 'i was going to do that', be the person who did it..you won't regret it!
Don't sit on your laurels though as someone previously said. Too many people say 'i was going to do that', be the person who did it..you won't regret it!
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Go for it chum. I did it in 1958, so am probably way out of date and not the best source of advice!!
However, don't hang about. You will not regret it and there are a few breaks for serving airmen (or there were).
Cheers, Bob C
However, don't hang about. You will not regret it and there are a few breaks for serving airmen (or there were).
Cheers, Bob C
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Age Limit
You definitely need to get confirmation on these age limits mate, although I am certain you are well inside.
Serving Airmen are NOT capped to age 27 - I was a serving soldier who transferred at age 31 alongside blokes from inside the RAF of similar ages and circumstance.
As has been previously advised, get the info from PSF and don't worry about any trade backlash. For starters, the RAF is keen for NCA in all branches never mind for Pilots/WSOs. You're bound to get a bit of stick from the knockers ('doubters' not NCOs
) who wish they'd done it themselves but if you're genned up and well prepared you'll be at an advantage to the DE candidates who are attempting selection, simply through your previous experience.
Best of luck.
Serving Airmen are NOT capped to age 27 - I was a serving soldier who transferred at age 31 alongside blokes from inside the RAF of similar ages and circumstance.
As has been previously advised, get the info from PSF and don't worry about any trade backlash. For starters, the RAF is keen for NCA in all branches never mind for Pilots/WSOs. You're bound to get a bit of stick from the knockers ('doubters' not NCOs
) who wish they'd done it themselves but if you're genned up and well prepared you'll be at an advantage to the DE candidates who are attempting selection, simply through your previous experience.Best of luck.
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I transferred to NCA in 98 having served 10 years as a ground trade and it has proved to be the best thing I have ever done. I was 29 at the time. The Service still has lots of problems, even on the aircrew side of the fence, but at least you are getting paid well to endure the crap.
Be prepared to bite your tongue during your initial training (Cranwell equivalent of Swinderby phase) as you are lumped together with DEs (or at least you were in 98). You will be taught all the noddy GSK stuff etc so stock up on Pro Plus. I remember being taught Service Writing by a Flt Lt LM, and as an ex TG17 I found this highly amusing!
Ignore all those who knock you for trying to transfer. Leave them eating the chips that they carry on their shoulders. I doubled my wage from what I was on as a ground trade, and have just been signed on to age 55 as a Sgt. You make your own luck in this life and money makes the world go around.
Good luck
Be prepared to bite your tongue during your initial training (Cranwell equivalent of Swinderby phase) as you are lumped together with DEs (or at least you were in 98). You will be taught all the noddy GSK stuff etc so stock up on Pro Plus. I remember being taught Service Writing by a Flt Lt LM, and as an ex TG17 I found this highly amusing!
Ignore all those who knock you for trying to transfer. Leave them eating the chips that they carry on their shoulders. I doubled my wage from what I was on as a ground trade, and have just been signed on to age 55 as a Sgt. You make your own luck in this life and money makes the world go around.
Good luck
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Hi gents,
Had a word with Admin staff and they have pointed me in the right direction, Need to have a quick word with my Flt Sgt and take things from there. Im torn between going straight for NCA or hanging around and doing my A levels for Pilot/Wsop. Ive got 3 years basically! Tough call!!
Had a word with Admin staff and they have pointed me in the right direction, Need to have a quick word with my Flt Sgt and take things from there. Im torn between going straight for NCA or hanging around and doing my A levels for Pilot/Wsop. Ive got 3 years basically! Tough call!!
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Whatever you do, commit and then crack on. If you apply for Pilot and fail can you still apply for NCA?
Remember that there's a huge amount more to being accepted for training for the two-winged master race than a couple of A-levels. Make sure you put in the time to build the leadership skills/potential as well.
Remember that there's a huge amount more to being accepted for training for the two-winged master race than a couple of A-levels. Make sure you put in the time to build the leadership skills/potential as well.
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Dan0 get yourself up to 55 Sqn at Cranwell for the monthly visit to see NCA training. If you are near to a Helicopter or AT base then ring the squadrons to arrange a visit and you will be able to speak to the WSO'ps directly.