Dress Regs - Stable Belt
Lightweight No.2 trousers with tailored belt loops and RAF stable belt
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Longsleeve wedgewood blue shirt and black tie (or 'Jag mate' tie) with pre-Single List RAFC Cranwell cufflinks
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highly polished flying boots
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Aircrew leather jacket with squadron name tag.
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SD Cap
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Breitling Aerospace
Looks good, shows the Untermensch who didn't work hard enough at school that you can afford to be an individual. Also pi$$es off the working class (such as whatever a SWO is called nowadays), scribblies, oily-fingered maintenance androids and all other low life whose sole existence is to keep the two-winged master race in the sky!
Perfect.
Some of the above may be tongue-in-cheek. Some, that is.....
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Longsleeve wedgewood blue shirt and black tie (or 'Jag mate' tie) with pre-Single List RAFC Cranwell cufflinks
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highly polished flying boots
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Aircrew leather jacket with squadron name tag.
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SD Cap
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Breitling Aerospace
Looks good, shows the Untermensch who didn't work hard enough at school that you can afford to be an individual. Also pi$$es off the working class (such as whatever a SWO is called nowadays), scribblies, oily-fingered maintenance androids and all other low life whose sole existence is to keep the two-winged master race in the sky!
Perfect.
Some of the above may be tongue-in-cheek. Some, that is.....
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Stable belts do have a use. They are an indicator of who is a back-stabbing, career making ar$e kisser which enables the rest of us who wish to just get on with what we are paid to do to easily spot and avoid them.
The full house of additional garb worn by the most desperate of these cretins (at least in OR circles) is, chip hat, stable belt, clippy cloppy oxford shoes, a tie pin featuring an aircraft of some sort (probably a gizit gained whilst 'working' in SCAF etc) and RAF roundel cuff links.
The full house of additional garb worn by the most desperate of these cretins (at least in OR circles) is, chip hat, stable belt, clippy cloppy oxford shoes, a tie pin featuring an aircraft of some sort (probably a gizit gained whilst 'working' in SCAF etc) and RAF roundel cuff links.
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BEagle, the best p
s off was of course the V-force zuit suit together with the blue aircrew shirt and for the real discerning blue cotton flying boxers too complete with rubber buttons.
The flying boots were a bit awkward with the big cuffs until the '51 pattern was replaced by the '65 patter.
The only thing that you might have had to pay for was the black tie, brevet and rank braid.
s off was of course the V-force zuit suit together with the blue aircrew shirt and for the real discerning blue cotton flying boxers too complete with rubber buttons.The flying boots were a bit awkward with the big cuffs until the '51 pattern was replaced by the '65 patter.
The only thing that you might have had to pay for was the black tie, brevet and rank braid.
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Following on from BEag's fashion tips
Random history lession, in the early 1980s before everyone got greens
Standard exercise dress
Girls - NBC suit with court shoes/lesbo comfy shoes and granny bag, trousers WAFF preposterous if available - nice
Boys - Wedgwood blue shirt, combat trousers/OGs/blues, wooly pully blue/green, shoes DMS/boots +putties.
Both
Bit of string round waist to hold up S6 haversack or stolen/borrowed 37/44/58 paten or US surplus web belt
For extra style points NBC suit, mark one with missing hood and strategic vent holes, helmet steel Mk IV with chinagraph witticisms/camouflage/arrow to remind wearer which way round, essence of sweat with added charcoal staining
Smart as a carrot!
Random history lession, in the early 1980s before everyone got greens
Standard exercise dress
Girls - NBC suit with court shoes/lesbo comfy shoes and granny bag, trousers WAFF preposterous if available - nice
Boys - Wedgwood blue shirt, combat trousers/OGs/blues, wooly pully blue/green, shoes DMS/boots +putties.
Both
Bit of string round waist to hold up S6 haversack or stolen/borrowed 37/44/58 paten or US surplus web belt
For extra style points NBC suit, mark one with missing hood and strategic vent holes, helmet steel Mk IV with chinagraph witticisms/camouflage/arrow to remind wearer which way round, essence of sweat with added charcoal staining
Smart as a carrot!
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Maple, you missed two points.
Some had the 1940 pattern tin hat.
Some lucky ones had a black ring around the domed crown. Even luckier were the ones with the black spider inside which gave you a black ring around the head.
Good point about the vent holes in the Mk 1 NBC Suit. Don't forget the ost ex finger nails - blackened with charcoal.
Some had the 1940 pattern tin hat.
Some lucky ones had a black ring around the domed crown. Even luckier were the ones with the black spider inside which gave you a black ring around the head.
Good point about the vent holes in the Mk 1 NBC Suit. Don't forget the ost ex finger nails - blackened with charcoal.
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This quest for knowledge was obviously posed by some blunty chisler with far, far too much time, and far, far too little to do.
It probably is laid down somewhere, bu in this day and age, I have neither the time or inclination to look it up, let alone post a thread to ask someone else.
If you can't dress yourself, and have so much time on your hands, disestablich your (presumably commissioned Flt Ops) post and go and waste an airlines oxygen.
Should this post cause offence, you know where to find me, as if I care.
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It probably is laid down somewhere, bu in this day and age, I have neither the time or inclination to look it up, let alone post a thread to ask someone else.
If you can't dress yourself, and have so much time on your hands, disestablich your (presumably commissioned Flt Ops) post and go and waste an airlines oxygen.
Should this post cause offence, you know where to find me, as if I care.
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Stable belt - good for the burgeoning wasteline, as pointed out. Also, no need for Brassoing the belt buckle on a Sunday night.
I used to have a corporate Amex, and the idiots at my old unit sent me a new one after I was posted. The thought of how far away I could get and how much I could spend briefly crossed my mind....
Coprorate Barclaycard, Now that was a useful thing, sadly it has been replaced by the more stringent Government Procurement Card (GPC)
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As your profile suggests, you don't really know what you are talking about, do you?
"RLC/R Sigs/RE/REME (delete as applicable) REMF"
In any ground operation it is the RE who go in first to clear the way, in the days of 16 Brigade, 9 Sqn, RE provided three troops, one with each battalion of Para and they dropped FIRST, you can be assured the RSigs wouldn't be far behind. Currently 16 AAB have 9 Sqn RE attached to them for the same reasons.
Now, back to stable belts, in the sixties they were a far more attractive proposition than a blancoed belt and brasses, the only alternative and were willingly bought by the troops, in the Army each Regt will have definite dress regulations about when and where to wear them - I get the impression from this thread that the RAF have a very much more relaxed attitude to dress regulations and the extent to which wearing what and when is optional?
"RLC/R Sigs/RE/REME (delete as applicable) REMF"
In any ground operation it is the RE who go in first to clear the way, in the days of 16 Brigade, 9 Sqn, RE provided three troops, one with each battalion of Para and they dropped FIRST, you can be assured the RSigs wouldn't be far behind. Currently 16 AAB have 9 Sqn RE attached to them for the same reasons.
Now, back to stable belts, in the sixties they were a far more attractive proposition than a blancoed belt and brasses, the only alternative and were willingly bought by the troops, in the Army each Regt will have definite dress regulations about when and where to wear them - I get the impression from this thread that the RAF have a very much more relaxed attitude to dress regulations and the extent to which wearing what and when is optional?
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Maple & PN, you forgot to add the dreadful flashamac to be worn when the weather became inclement. Oh and you would be 'armed' with apick axe helve.
Truly looked like a sack of doings then whilst waiting for the hordes of Spetznaz
Truly looked like a sack of doings then whilst waiting for the hordes of Spetznaz
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Maple & PN, you forgot to add the dreadful flashamac to be worn when the weather became inclement. Oh and you would be 'armed' with apick axe helve.
Truly looked like a sack of doings then whilst waiting for the hordes of Spetznaz
Truly looked like a sack of doings then whilst waiting for the hordes of Spetznaz
What was the issue firearm pre IW/SA-80/L91-A-whatever days? Was it pistol, SLR or SMG?
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Jess, it was Mill Hill wot done it......
Pre 1988 Pickaxe handle No1 Mk 1, intruders for the tw*tting of
Mid 1988 SLR L1A1 and magazine containing, er, nothing, empty bang-stick, intruders for the tw*tting etc
Late 1988 SLR, historic (wood bits) or cheap (plastic furniture) and 20 rounds of ball 7.62
'and for God's sake, don't shoot anyone or lose your mag'
WAAFs initally unarmed then presented with Small Metal Gun and licence to kill - mainly their own side if range days were anything to go by (1988)
'Who the **** told you yo put the bloody thing on auto you silly cow?'
Officers armed with said SMG (and much use that was) or Browning, unlucky sods on MDF (me) got a Bren er no, sorry, LMG (light my Ar*e)
Pre 1988 Pickaxe handle No1 Mk 1, intruders for the tw*tting of
Mid 1988 SLR L1A1 and magazine containing, er, nothing, empty bang-stick, intruders for the tw*tting etc
Late 1988 SLR, historic (wood bits) or cheap (plastic furniture) and 20 rounds of ball 7.62
'and for God's sake, don't shoot anyone or lose your mag'
WAAFs initally unarmed then presented with Small Metal Gun and licence to kill - mainly their own side if range days were anything to go by (1988)
'Who the **** told you yo put the bloody thing on auto you silly cow?'
Officers armed with said SMG (and much use that was) or Browning, unlucky sods on MDF (me) got a Bren er no, sorry, LMG (light my Ar*e)
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Suits me sir
From my time in the northern climes, I reckon that the stable belt was a marvellous concept when modelled by a fit girly JO (fair enough they were in the minority compared to their larger sisters, but there were enough to keep morale high).
For foreign types such as myself, a tidy girly JO with stable belt, girly hat and lilting Pommie accent was one of the finest parts of RAF culture!
As for blokes wearing them I guess I'd concur with the earlier chiseller comments!
For foreign types such as myself, a tidy girly JO with stable belt, girly hat and lilting Pommie accent was one of the finest parts of RAF culture!
As for blokes wearing them I guess I'd concur with the earlier chiseller comments!
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Pre-SMG/Browning days officers got what ever was going.
At range practice is was a selection of 38 revolvers by Colt, S&W etc. Those on gnd tours got the Sten Gun. Wonderful weapon. You didn't need the trigger and the only thing about the safety catch was the 'catch'. The catch was the safety wasn't safety.
Sharp tap on the floor could fire a round whether there was on in the barrel or not, safety on or not. Even round ejection was suspect. I once got a full mag score one the target although one round did not fire first time. It only left the barrel when the next round fired. One cartridge left the breech in fragments and the other with a nice squash ring.
I never got to fire the SA80 and may have fired the SLR once. When the SMG was withdrawn I only ever got the Browning or the Walther.
At range practice is was a selection of 38 revolvers by Colt, S&W etc. Those on gnd tours got the Sten Gun. Wonderful weapon. You didn't need the trigger and the only thing about the safety catch was the 'catch'. The catch was the safety wasn't safety.
Sharp tap on the floor could fire a round whether there was on in the barrel or not, safety on or not. Even round ejection was suspect. I once got a full mag score one the target although one round did not fire first time. It only left the barrel when the next round fired. One cartridge left the breech in fragments and the other with a nice squash ring.
I never got to fire the SA80 and may have fired the SLR once. When the SMG was withdrawn I only ever got the Browning or the Walther.
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Just to go back to the CDS picture - the beret does NOT match the stable belt and neither match the rank slides.
IMHO the wearing of a Royal Engineer beret, Royal Marine stable belt and old desert DPM so he can wear 2 rank slides is crap. Makes the man look ashamed of being RAF or a pitiful effort to endear himself to the Joint crowd.
IMHO the wearing of a Royal Engineer beret, Royal Marine stable belt and old desert DPM so he can wear 2 rank slides is crap. Makes the man look ashamed of being RAF or a pitiful effort to endear himself to the Joint crowd.
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Just to go back to the CDS picture - the beret does NOT match the stable belt and neither match the rank slides.
IMHO the wearing of a Royal Engineer beret, Royal Marine stable belt and old desert DPM so he can wear 2 rank slides is crap. Makes the man look ashamed of being RAF or a pitiful effort to endear himself to the Joint crowd.
IMHO the wearing of a Royal Engineer beret, Royal Marine stable belt and old desert DPM so he can wear 2 rank slides is crap. Makes the man look ashamed of being RAF or a pitiful effort to endear himself to the Joint crowd.
"Pre-SMG/Browning days officers got what ever was going."
It must have confused you rather, PN, when they stopped ramming lead balls in the open end of the muzzle....
It must have confused you rather, PN, when they stopped ramming lead balls in the open end of the muzzle....
Ye olde navigator's pistole
To add an aviation angle to this, CDS's manner of wearing a stable belt has exicted comment over on t'army means:
Not least since it appears to be an RM stable belt...
Not least since it appears to be an RM stable belt...
