Service Police and Civil Police
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Service Police and Civil Police
Many in these forums dislike the service police just as a civilian dislikes the civil police.
Some critisism may be warrranted but most is certainly not.
The Corps of Royal Military Police undertake the longest service police course if the Common Military Sylabus(Recruits) is taken inton consideration and are frequently found in the front line in close proximity to the Infantry.
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The Royal Air Force Police undertake the next longest course with the 6 week Recruit course also included. They also undertake counter-intelligence duties that are the responsibility of the Intelligence Corps in the Regular Army. Also they undertake customs and immigration duties to act on behalf of those agencies. This makes the RAF Police a more varied environment than their RMP equivelents, Even though promotion is usually slower.
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The Corps of Royal Marines Police Troop, which is more company sized than troop sized, performs the same duties as the RMP but on a smaller scale. It also shares responsibility for the Royal Navy Policing environment.
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The Royal Navy Regulating Specialism undertake the shortest of the police courses but also have to qualify with additional training for certain shipboard appointments in addition to the usual service police specialisms. Like the RM police troop there is no direct entry from civvy street. The perform duties such as Fisheries Protection Officer amongst others on board ship. All officer appointments are commissioned from the senior rates.
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It can be seen that the Pay varies in the different service police organisations, rank on rank.
Civilian Police earn far more overal than their service police counterparts. Chief Constables pay ranges from £105.000 for the lowest populated force areas to over £240.000 plus bonuses for the Commissioner of Police for the metropolis. Far more than the Chief Of Defence Staff earns and he commands 12 times as many personnel. Deputy chief constables earn two thirds of a Chief Constable. Assistant Chief Constables/Commanders earn just over £90.000.
All Civil Police are actually officers there is no other rank structure.
There exists a direct rank comparison between civil service grades, military officers and police officers, though the salaries vary substantially by as much as £12.000 in some instances.
Officer 1 . midshipman, second lieutenant, pilot officer
equate to a probationer constable in the Police. Lieutenant(army), sub lieutenant(RN), flying officer (RAF). equate to a constable in the Police. Police Constables earn much more.
Officer 2. lieutenant (RN), Captain (army), flight lieutenant (RAF) equate to a police sergeant. Police sergeants earn much more.
Officer 3. Lieutenant-commander (RN), major (army), squadron leader (RAF) equate to a Police inspector. Military officers earn much more than a police inspector.
Officer 4. commander(RN), lieutenant colonel(army), wing commander (RAF) equate to a police chief inspector. Military officers earn much more than a police chief inspector.
Officer 5. captain (RN), Colonel (army), group captain (RAF) equate to a police superintendent and also police chief superintendent. Military officers earn more than police superintendents and chief superintendents.
Officer 6. commadore (RN), brigadier (army), air commadore (RAF) equate to police assistant chief constables and police deputy chief constables. Military officers earn about the same as police assistant chief constables but by far much less than the majority of police deputy chief constables, most of whom earn more than officer 8 in the armed forces.
Officer 7. rear admiral (RN), major general (army), air vice marshal (RAF) equate to a chief constable, in particular the MOD Police. His salary is set at a different level than other civilian police chief constables but is higher than military officers of equivelent rank.
Officer 8. There is no official equivelent but broadly speaking they roughly equate to a chief constable of a large provincial police force though those chief constables earn more than 4 star officers in general. and to the metropolitan police deputy commissioner.
Officer 9. There is no official equivelent but broadly speaking they roughly equate to the police rank shown below under officer 8.
Officer 10. Chief of Defence Staff. There is no official equivelent but broadly speaking they equate roughly to the Commissioner of the metropolis. Though that police officer earns several tens of thousand pounds sterling more than the CDS.
The government prizes police officers more highly than servicemen because servicemen need permission to kill civilians in most cases were police officers dont and because the police have draconian powers wereas the servicemen dont.
I have often wondered how say a lieutenant in the french police national or gendarmerie national or its italian,spanish and portugese equivelents would react to working alongside constables who are officially there equivelents according to NATO and the british government, when their own equivelents are called gardiens or gendarmes and occupy a rank 5 below that of lieutenant.
Some critisism may be warrranted but most is certainly not.
The Corps of Royal Military Police undertake the longest service police course if the Common Military Sylabus(Recruits) is taken inton consideration and are frequently found in the front line in close proximity to the Infantry.
L H H L H H
L/Cpl Cpl Sgt S/Sgt WO2 WO1
The Royal Air Force Police undertake the next longest course with the 6 week Recruit course also included. They also undertake counter-intelligence duties that are the responsibility of the Intelligence Corps in the Regular Army. Also they undertake customs and immigration duties to act on behalf of those agencies. This makes the RAF Police a more varied environment than their RMP equivelents, Even though promotion is usually slower.
L H H L L
A/Cpl Cpl Sgt Flt Sgt WO
The Corps of Royal Marines Police Troop, which is more company sized than troop sized, performs the same duties as the RMP but on a smaller scale. It also shares responsibility for the Royal Navy Policing environment.
L H H L H H
L/Cpl Cpl Sgt C/Sgt WO2 WO1
The Royal Navy Regulating Specialism undertake the shortest of the police courses but also have to qualify with additional training for certain shipboard appointments in addition to the usual service police specialisms. Like the RM police troop there is no direct entry from civvy street. The perform duties such as Fisheries Protection Officer amongst others on board ship. All officer appointments are commissioned from the senior rates.
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L/Reg PO Reg MAA WO Reg
It can be seen that the Pay varies in the different service police organisations, rank on rank.
Civilian Police earn far more overal than their service police counterparts. Chief Constables pay ranges from £105.000 for the lowest populated force areas to over £240.000 plus bonuses for the Commissioner of Police for the metropolis. Far more than the Chief Of Defence Staff earns and he commands 12 times as many personnel. Deputy chief constables earn two thirds of a Chief Constable. Assistant Chief Constables/Commanders earn just over £90.000.
All Civil Police are actually officers there is no other rank structure.
There exists a direct rank comparison between civil service grades, military officers and police officers, though the salaries vary substantially by as much as £12.000 in some instances.
Officer 1 . midshipman, second lieutenant, pilot officer
equate to a probationer constable in the Police. Lieutenant(army), sub lieutenant(RN), flying officer (RAF). equate to a constable in the Police. Police Constables earn much more.
Officer 2. lieutenant (RN), Captain (army), flight lieutenant (RAF) equate to a police sergeant. Police sergeants earn much more.
Officer 3. Lieutenant-commander (RN), major (army), squadron leader (RAF) equate to a Police inspector. Military officers earn much more than a police inspector.
Officer 4. commander(RN), lieutenant colonel(army), wing commander (RAF) equate to a police chief inspector. Military officers earn much more than a police chief inspector.
Officer 5. captain (RN), Colonel (army), group captain (RAF) equate to a police superintendent and also police chief superintendent. Military officers earn more than police superintendents and chief superintendents.
Officer 6. commadore (RN), brigadier (army), air commadore (RAF) equate to police assistant chief constables and police deputy chief constables. Military officers earn about the same as police assistant chief constables but by far much less than the majority of police deputy chief constables, most of whom earn more than officer 8 in the armed forces.
Officer 7. rear admiral (RN), major general (army), air vice marshal (RAF) equate to a chief constable, in particular the MOD Police. His salary is set at a different level than other civilian police chief constables but is higher than military officers of equivelent rank.
Officer 8. There is no official equivelent but broadly speaking they roughly equate to a chief constable of a large provincial police force though those chief constables earn more than 4 star officers in general. and to the metropolitan police deputy commissioner.
Officer 9. There is no official equivelent but broadly speaking they roughly equate to the police rank shown below under officer 8.
Officer 10. Chief of Defence Staff. There is no official equivelent but broadly speaking they equate roughly to the Commissioner of the metropolis. Though that police officer earns several tens of thousand pounds sterling more than the CDS.
The government prizes police officers more highly than servicemen because servicemen need permission to kill civilians in most cases were police officers dont and because the police have draconian powers wereas the servicemen dont.
I have often wondered how say a lieutenant in the french police national or gendarmerie national or its italian,spanish and portugese equivelents would react to working alongside constables who are officially there equivelents according to NATO and the british government, when their own equivelents are called gardiens or gendarmes and occupy a rank 5 below that of lieutenant.
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The RAF Police may have the have the second longest service police training course but its still naff all compared to how long technicians and aircrew spend in initial training. In fact when I went through Supply training many years ago the Police training was actually shorter than even ours.
Yes RAF Police can be sent to do many 'top up' courses during their career but so do all other trades in the RAF.
As for comparing RAF Police pay to civil police pay thats a complete non-starter. How many RAF Police regularly deal with RTI's, murders and rape cases?
As 'Ivan Rogov', what is the Mil aircrew/flying implications of your post?
Yes RAF Police can be sent to do many 'top up' courses during their career but so do all other trades in the RAF.
As for comparing RAF Police pay to civil police pay thats a complete non-starter. How many RAF Police regularly deal with RTI's, murders and rape cases?
As 'Ivan Rogov', what is the Mil aircrew/flying implications of your post?
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Absolutely amazing post with lots of assertions and not a single proven fact.
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have you been on the pi$$ or what?
I have absolutely no idea what your point is, nor do I care frankly.
I think you should take a bit more water with it next time, and as PN says, bu££er off.
have you been on the pi$$ or what?
I have absolutely no idea what your point is, nor do I care frankly.
I think you should take a bit more water with it next time, and as PN says, bu££er off.
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Interpretix, your 'facts' are very dubious. Equating UK police ranks directly to military commissioned ranks, starting off at OF1 = Constable, just because they are 'officers' is very strange. Even using a simplistic approach, based on language alone, is flawed; a lance corporal is an 'officer', all be it a non-commissioned officer, and coppers are warrented not commissioned, hence would equate to only WO2 & WO 1. Anyway, I thought they were all constables in the eyes of the law, hence coppers have senior officers but no superior officer and a probationer can arrest a chief constable.
Leaving aside the fact that the jobs and career structures are very different, if you are looking for equivalency you might want to try a straight forward comparison of rank badges. This itself is a highly dubious approach at lower and medium rank levels, given that all coppers start off as constables, but by the time you get to the more senior ranks it is more valid. A chief superintendant running a division would have several hundered constables answering to him/her, not too different from a cdr/lt col/wg cdr in command.
What exactly was your point anyway - that a baby 'scuffer' should be a pilot officer? What rank would the dog be?
Leaving aside the fact that the jobs and career structures are very different, if you are looking for equivalency you might want to try a straight forward comparison of rank badges. This itself is a highly dubious approach at lower and medium rank levels, given that all coppers start off as constables, but by the time you get to the more senior ranks it is more valid. A chief superintendant running a division would have several hundered constables answering to him/her, not too different from a cdr/lt col/wg cdr in command.
What exactly was your point anyway - that a baby 'scuffer' should be a pilot officer? What rank would the dog be?
Interpretrix
Apart from completely agreeing with others about the underlying questionable relevance of your post, you are away off beam with your "equivalent" ranks - by at least two ranks in the Services' favour. Just because very senior British civilian police officers wear similar rank badges (so do British ambulance service "officers" - enough said ....) to general officers doesn't mean they are anywhere near truly equivalent either in rank or responsibility - and one should never fall into the trap of equating what people are paid with what they actually earn!
Jack
PS Noting you apparently come from VA, I hope you will not be offended if I say how often I have been amused to see how even small town chiefs of police in the USA go around wearing four stars on the collars of their shirts - and on their shoulderboards at the same time! Please tell us what this signifies? On second thoughts, please don't! We know.
PPS Omigod! I'm starting to get like Rainboe ...
Jack
PS Noting you apparently come from VA, I hope you will not be offended if I say how often I have been amused to see how even small town chiefs of police in the USA go around wearing four stars on the collars of their shirts - and on their shoulderboards at the same time! Please tell us what this signifies? On second thoughts, please don't! We know.
PPS Omigod! I'm starting to get like Rainboe ...
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Love the cartoon.
RAFP on 814 (Nuclear protection duties) in Bruggen and Laarbruch in the mid-eighties used to wear DPM and webbing with blue shirts, ties and white hats. A little confused identity at the time perhaps
I understand though that plans are afoot for a single joint police force (Dutch style), which will have equal opportunities to get shot at in the sand pit, and likely to have a few beer bellies quivering at the thought at the police post at RAF Back-of-Beyond.
Of course such an organisation would be RMP dominated (being bigger), and if you think that the RAFP can be obtuse and difficult sonofabitches, be prepared to be breathalised on your early morning walk to the jet after a long night at the mess bar, or worse.
Better the devil you know and all that..........................
There I knew it was possible to find aviation relevance in this thread
RAFP on 814 (Nuclear protection duties) in Bruggen and Laarbruch in the mid-eighties used to wear DPM and webbing with blue shirts, ties and white hats. A little confused identity at the time perhaps
I understand though that plans are afoot for a single joint police force (Dutch style), which will have equal opportunities to get shot at in the sand pit, and likely to have a few beer bellies quivering at the thought at the police post at RAF Back-of-Beyond.
Of course such an organisation would be RMP dominated (being bigger), and if you think that the RAFP can be obtuse and difficult sonofabitches, be prepared to be breathalised on your early morning walk to the jet after a long night at the mess bar, or worse.
Better the devil you know and all that..........................
There I knew it was possible to find aviation relevance in this thread
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Are there enough brains on the chain to run a unified force??
How will we explain the relevance of flight safety to some RMP who thinks his word is law........I can see this one ending in a big Plod vs Engine intake/exhaust accident.
How will we explain the relevance of flight safety to some RMP who thinks his word is law........I can see this one ending in a big Plod vs Engine intake/exhaust accident.
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'Of course such an organisation would be RMP dominated (being bigger), and if you think that the RAFP can be obtuse and difficult sonofabitches, be prepared to be breathalised on your early morning walk to the jet after a long night at the mess bar, or worse. '
What are you saying here then?
Flight Safety not needed?
BTT doesn't apply to me?
What are you saying here then?
Flight Safety not needed?
BTT doesn't apply to me?
