Question for the military rotor guys...
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Touche - no offence meant - nothing wrong with a bit of inter service banter - all the boy's (oops better be PC!) and girl's of all nations/services are doing a great job under difficult circumstances.
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Touche - no offence meant - nothing wrong with a bit of inter service banter - all the boy's (oops better be PC!) and girl's of all nations/services are doing a great job under difficult circumstances.
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Eagle, would you now like to qualify your statement both for my education and others?
I have a vague idea of the RN Helo aspects, ditto RAF, but scarcely a clue about AAC.
I have a vague idea of the RN Helo aspects, ditto RAF, but scarcely a clue about AAC.
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FW First Remember
Tegwin,
Remember that you will need to unlearn all the RW flying for a while whatever service you join.
If you join the RN you will have to get through Flying Grading whilst under Initial Officer Training, this is fixed wing. If you pass that you will then have to pass Elementary Flying Training - approx 65 hours Fixed Wing. Then and only then will you go to RAF SHAWBURY for RW training. You may have a PPL (H) and that has no doubt developed your airmanship, air sense etc and of course RW skills but get at least a couple of hours in a fixed wing prior to training (if you pass selection).
I breezed the fixed wing stuff but stumbled on RW, make sure you don't stumble the other way round!!!
Cheers and good luck with your application.
MFWF
Remember that you will need to unlearn all the RW flying for a while whatever service you join.
If you join the RN you will have to get through Flying Grading whilst under Initial Officer Training, this is fixed wing. If you pass that you will then have to pass Elementary Flying Training - approx 65 hours Fixed Wing. Then and only then will you go to RAF SHAWBURY for RW training. You may have a PPL (H) and that has no doubt developed your airmanship, air sense etc and of course RW skills but get at least a couple of hours in a fixed wing prior to training (if you pass selection).
I breezed the fixed wing stuff but stumbled on RW, make sure you don't stumble the other way round!!!
Cheers and good luck with your application.
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Tegwin - It would seem from your last post that you have the ability to learn, and adapt. That should stand you in good stead. Whilst we can all give you advice, conflicting or not...It is pretty arbitary.
If you are not committed to completing the process, and making it to the front line, with whichever service you choose, you probably won't achieve it anyway.
Think very carefully about where you would like to be in 5 years, and what options you would like to have.
All the services have there particular merits, though if your not the bayonet clenched between the teeth type, then maybe SAR (RAF or RN) may be for you.
The military may have the attraction of flying for a living, but has it's downsides too. Time away, and the fact that you can't just leave when you want too. Anyway, remember my original comment....You will be expected to lead and inspire others.
Rude - Nice to see you back with the program, I get your points but my days are oft filled with the ones that get away. Mines a Yellow!
WM
If you are not committed to completing the process, and making it to the front line, with whichever service you choose, you probably won't achieve it anyway.
Think very carefully about where you would like to be in 5 years, and what options you would like to have.
All the services have there particular merits, though if your not the bayonet clenched between the teeth type, then maybe SAR (RAF or RN) may be for you.
The military may have the attraction of flying for a living, but has it's downsides too. Time away, and the fact that you can't just leave when you want too. Anyway, remember my original comment....You will be expected to lead and inspire others.
Rude - Nice to see you back with the program, I get your points but my days are oft filled with the ones that get away. Mines a Yellow!
WM
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Tegwin - MustFly is bang on - read and understand his post. If you do decide to join any of the Services, keep your current RW experience to yourself until you've got some way into the system. I'm sure you are a good, safe pilot, but that doesn't mean you fly the way the RN/RAF/AAC want you to fly. Don't think that your PPL(H) means anything, particularly to QFIs who have been flying for longer than you might have been alive.
You'll be quicker to learn for the first 15-20 hours, but after that you'll find the playing field levels out - be prepared for that.
You'll be quicker to learn for the first 15-20 hours, but after that you'll find the playing field levels out - be prepared for that.
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Chears for that 'Mustfly.' I hadnt realised that there is quite that much FW training....Thats going to be a nightmare getting all of the RW stuff out of my head...I can just imagine forgetting where I am and trying to land a FW on a helipad
If I pass selection I will deffinately bash out a couple of hours FW if its going to make my life easier!
What exactly is flying grading? Is it just a basic training to see if you actually have any potential to fly etc?
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Is the FW elementary traning up to IFR, and multi-engine type level? I guess that would make sence...
Chears for your input all
If I pass selection I will deffinately bash out a couple of hours FW if its going to make my life easier!
What exactly is flying grading? Is it just a basic training to see if you actually have any potential to fly etc?
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Is the FW elementary traning up to IFR, and multi-engine type level? I guess that would make sence...
Chears for your input all
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http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/Ab...ngTraining.htm tells all.
Grading is a 10-12 hours assessment of your trainability, up to about first solo standard FW, though you won't get to go solo. It finishes with an assessed/test sortie, but is assessed all the way through. The web page is out of date, as 727 has moved to Yeovilton.
Grading is a 10-12 hours assessment of your trainability, up to about first solo standard FW, though you won't get to go solo. It finishes with an assessed/test sortie, but is assessed all the way through. The web page is out of date, as 727 has moved to Yeovilton.
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Eagle,
I was told that in GW I three units were all sent down town to secure a building.
Army unit blacked up, got the kit, surrounded the building, blew doors in, went in, grenade in every room, few rounds 7.62, returned - "Building secure Sir."
Navy went in, shut windows, turned out lights, locked doors. "Building secure Sir."
Air Force went in, 5* hotel, booked all the rooms and negotiated long term lease. "Building secure Sir."
I was told that in GW I three units were all sent down town to secure a building.
Army unit blacked up, got the kit, surrounded the building, blew doors in, went in, grenade in every room, few rounds 7.62, returned - "Building secure Sir."
Navy went in, shut windows, turned out lights, locked doors. "Building secure Sir."
Air Force went in, 5* hotel, booked all the rooms and negotiated long term lease. "Building secure Sir."
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Tegwin
Whilst I think the "scaring yourself" comment was a little misguided and would no doubt earn you a windmilling debrief should you be successful and still harbour those thoughts (though you later qualified your statement), I think it is admirable that you demonstrate a little "spunk".
I strongly believe that today's RAF recruits too few characters and too many grey men. I would still rather deploy and fight with a high average pilot who's a top bloke and has something about him (or her, sister) than a Stick Ninja who would rather have a good night in with the Aircrew Manual and a glass of milk.
As others have said, your civvy flying hours will give you little or no advantage in the military system. Save your money and spend it on chasing women down town and enjoy your youth before it gets stolen by the military! Making best use of that "spunk", if you will.
If you are successful, make sure your helicopter is green. Junglie, AH or RAF SH. Get amongst it. Making the best of that "spunk", if you will.
Whilst I think the "scaring yourself" comment was a little misguided and would no doubt earn you a windmilling debrief should you be successful and still harbour those thoughts (though you later qualified your statement), I think it is admirable that you demonstrate a little "spunk".
I strongly believe that today's RAF recruits too few characters and too many grey men. I would still rather deploy and fight with a high average pilot who's a top bloke and has something about him (or her, sister) than a Stick Ninja who would rather have a good night in with the Aircrew Manual and a glass of milk.
As others have said, your civvy flying hours will give you little or no advantage in the military system. Save your money and spend it on chasing women down town and enjoy your youth before it gets stolen by the military! Making best use of that "spunk", if you will.
If you are successful, make sure your helicopter is green. Junglie, AH or RAF SH. Get amongst it. Making the best of that "spunk", if you will.
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Come again mate?
I didn't think you could get enough of it!
And don't go throwing any of that nav banter my way either!
Come again mate?
I didn't think you could get enough of it!
And don't go throwing any of that nav banter my way either!
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I'm not sure that the AAC would be an immediate option for you tegwin. I got into the AAC after spending 5 years with the Royal Signals. I'm not sure what happens these days having been out of the military for some time but I don't think you can join the army and move straight into the AAC.
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I don't think you can join the army and move straight into the AAC
http://www.army.mod.uk/armyaircorps/officer_career.htm
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M8...i looked at all the services and thoughts that any sevice is great for helicopters...though if you want the adrenaline at home only id go for the RAF...but if you want to make a difference on land then its the army and in the fleet air arm youd chase pirates and the like...but Navy have best training and most operative...though what ever service you go into your best just buying your own and trying to loan your skills to MAF when ur not busy if possible (though havent looked into this) - the military only give you enough hours to keep you up unfortunately - things cost!
All the best
All the best
Pablo, and what operational experience do you base your advice on apart from reading brochures yourself?
Tegwin, I would take professional students' advice. Get amongst it and have fun chasing the girls and drinking pi$$ 'now'. Civvie hours do not count for anything once you're in (except maybe a few to show to your board members motivation for flying), and I know that for a fact coming from a civvie rotary background and being at the tail end of the long pilots course (aussie - RAN) as we speak. Might I add, that unlearning almost a thousand hours of habits and re-learning them the Mil way can be trying, so I would suggest not doing too much training at all if Mil is they way you end up deciding to go. Should you not make it through course, you can always then spend your hard earned dough and go the civvie route.
Tegwin, I would take professional students' advice. Get amongst it and have fun chasing the girls and drinking pi$$ 'now'. Civvie hours do not count for anything once you're in (except maybe a few to show to your board members motivation for flying), and I know that for a fact coming from a civvie rotary background and being at the tail end of the long pilots course (aussie - RAN) as we speak. Might I add, that unlearning almost a thousand hours of habits and re-learning them the Mil way can be trying, so I would suggest not doing too much training at all if Mil is they way you end up deciding to go. Should you not make it through course, you can always then spend your hard earned dough and go the civvie route.
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Pablo - Only two hours ago you said
I suggest you are not perhaps the best authority on military RW matters
But surely there must be someone out there who's had the experience and would be so kind as to tell me a little bit more about the AAC, the Army or officers???...Like: how many hours do you get?Where are you likely to be sent?Whats the training like?........................ny one